Covid-19 discussion, continued...

posted by O-Trap

Meat packing centers: Shit, what the fuck?

The only thing more alarming than that is Cuomo disclosing yesterday that 66% of hospitalizations were people sheltering in place.  Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention.

H...O...L...Y  SHIT....Then wtf are we doing all this for?!?  Now, I don't know how many people are still working as essential in NY, but if you assume 25% (I'd guess that's in the ballpark) then if my math is right sheltering in place means only a 13.6% reduced risk of contagion.  If only 10% are working, then it's still only a 36.3% reduced risk, which could be effective over the short-term but inconsequential over many months.

posted by gut

TX gov saying "we have 3 areas of outbreaks: jails, nursing homes and meat packing centers", otherwise we'd have virtually no cases.

Ummmm, which one of those doesn't fit?  You have an outbreak in a business, one of the few that is actually running.  These meat packing centers are probably a leading indicator of what happens when we go back to work if very careful measures aren't implemented.

THey have outbreaks there because that is where the targeted testing is taking place,  hardly anyone in those meat packing places are actually sick.  Same with the prisons, thousands of people tested positive, no deaths

posted by SportsAndLady

How much SF taxes do you pay? Just curious how badly this is affecting you. 

It’s not about me.

posted by gut

The only thing more alarming than that is Cuomo disclosing yesterday that 66% of hospitalizations were people sheltering in place.  Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention.

H...O...L...Y  SHIT....Then wtf are we doing all this for?!?  Now, I don't know how many people are still working as essential in NY, but if you assume 25% (I'd guess that's in the ballpark) then if my math is right sheltering in place means only a 13.6% reduced risk of contagion.  If only 10% are working, then it's still only a 36.3% reduced risk, which could be effective over the short-term but inconsequential over many months.

I have to wonder how they got the metric that Cuomo cited.  How do they know who is and isn't sheltering in place, and to what degree they're doing so?

I mean, the obvious answer is that they might just ask them, but to quote the immortal philosopher House:

posted by Spock

THey have outbreaks there because that is where the targeted testing is taking place

LOL, are you saying testing is a vector of transmission?

posted by O-Trap

Jails: Close proximity; makes sense
Nursing homes: Probably a higher than average rate of immunocompromised residents; makes sense
Meat packing centers: Shit, what the fuck?

A fair number of these plants employ large numbers of Central Americans who often live and congregate together in large numbers.

posted by gut

LOL, are you saying testing is a vector of transmission?

No dumbass......its not far fetched that where you look, you find.  Pay attention here and connect the dots.  We will find out that this thing is all over the place and the more you test, the more you find.  

posted by Spock

No dumbass......its not far fetched that where you look, you find.  Pay attention here and connect the dots.  We will find out that this thing is all over the place and the more you test, the more you find.  

I really hope you're not trying to act like stating the obvious (more testing = more positive results) is something that involves actual dot-connecting.

posted by Spock

No dumbass......its not far fetched that where you look, you find.  Pay attention here and connect the dots.  We will find out that this thing is all over the place and the more you test, the more you find.  

I connected the dots on the back of a cereal box.  Told me 4G was going to melt my brain and give me AIDS.  I've lined my walls with tinfoil.  Seems to help.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/

posted by QuakerOats

 

It’s not about me.

Who is it about then?
 

Are you getting your jimmies rustled on behalf of other people? 

Update:

wife and son are cleared and whole family is free of quarantine now. 
 

glad I got to go see my grandma today before she passes (congestive heart failure, maybe weeks left). 

Got 'em.

https://twitter.com/swaaalla/status/1258719229043306499

posted by QuakerOats

 

https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/

Well, if it's on lockdownsceptics.org, it must be legitimate.

Interestingly, the point they make about the model would, if applied, would raise just as much problem with Judy Mikovits' study on the correlation between CFS and XMRV.
 

posted by jmog

Update:

wife and son are cleared and whole family is free of quarantine now. 
 

glad I got to go see my grandma today before she passes (congestive heart failure, maybe weeks left). 

That's tremendous news.  Man, I'm happy you guys are cleared, and I'm glad you'll get to spend some time with your grandma.  Just went through that last year with my grandfather, and I know how important that time is.
 

posted by justincredible

Got 'em.

https://twitter.com/swaaalla/status/1258719229043306499

That's amazing.  Makes me want to do something like this, except our police pretty much leave you alone if you're not being violent or stealing anything.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-coronavirus-response-chaotic-disaster

At least we knew it was going on unnlike your crappy WH while 60,000,000 people got sick with H1N1

posted by Spock

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-coronavirus-response-chaotic-disaster

 

At least we knew it was going on unnlike your crappy WH while 60,000,000 people got sick with H1N1

No one:

Literally no one:

Spock: BuT ObamA got 60,000,00 siCk with tHe HoneN1

60 million infected, 12k deaths. Different type of virus.

TOTALLY THE SAME.

CC so shook by any criticism of his god that he fires back by bringing up the response to...A FAR WEAKER VIRUS where CDC numbers state that COVID so far has killed six times as many people in the US than H1N1 did throughout its entirety.

In other words, a typical day.

posted by like_that

Fuck it, if it makes everyone hate China  then let's ramp this conspiracy theory up. 

Yeah, fuck these people. Now people in Hong Kong are getting Hepatitis E, a disease transferred from rats.