posted by like_that
Thank you for explaining this, since S&L is intellectually incapable of answering a simple question. I agree with some of what you say, but I still stand by the left shifting further left as data has shown and the type of politicians are being voted. I said in 2016 the dems would have their own tea party movement, and they currently are dealing with it. We will see how they handle it.
posted by BoatShoes
What I think S&L is getting at, I think, is that the majority of people inclined to libertarianism - say, being for legalizing drugs (something Democrats tend to support more) and lower income taxes (something Republicans tend to support more) generally seem to vote Republican more than Democrat when they're playing the two party game and, at least on this board in particular, spend an inordinate amount of political discussion on "tHe lEFT" - e.g. multiple threads on disgust with progressives.
So while on the one hand you have the true Capital L Libertarians like Justin and O-Trap who will not abide either party - you have the lower case l libertarians who'd probably prefer a robust libertarian party but vote R 99% of the time because by golly - while the GOP may be a complete fraud doing everything fiscally they railed on Obama about and be totally cool with infringing on property rights on social issues - goddamn those libz!
It's a phenomenon on the right - people who vote down ticket Republican and then say "I'm not a Republican though, I'm a libertarian!"
It'd be like me saying I'm not a Democrat even though I vote Democrat every time despite my hope that I could vote for an MMT-Party that wants to cut payroll taxes and sell securities to fund a Green New Deal. There are elements of the Democratic party that embarrass me and that I don't support but the reality is, in our political spectrum, I'm still a Democrat and a left-winger despite what I might want to call myself or vote for in a perfect world.
S&L is incapable of explaining this, but thank you for translating for the kids table. There are definitely those who identify as libertarian but vote for R. Some do it while holding their noses as they see it as the only option to prevent the dems from winning. Some do it, because they truly aren't libertarian. There is also a group who will vote for some Rs that have libertarian leanings (i.e. Paul, Amash, Massie, etc). If 90% of the GOP held their values and remained as principled as them, I would register as a R again (stopped registering as a R after 2012 election). I have voted libertarian since the 2012 election, even though the party is a shit show.
Part of S&L's problem is he doesn't realize that most libertarians also hate progressive ideology and therefore a lot of people on this forum whether they are R or L will bash them.
posted by BoatShoes
Obviously Richard Cordray /s
Not familiar with him, I will check him out.
posted by justincredible
I'm small-l libertarian as I find the national party to be a complete shit-show.
Agreed. They can't even decide wtf libertarianism and the chariperson is a pandering moron.
posted by SportsAndLady
Presidential candidate & South Bend Mayor
@PeteButtigieg is right—God doesn’t have a political party. But God does have commandments, laws & standards He gives us to live by. God doesn’t change. His Word is the same yesterday, today & forever. 1/3
Mayor Buttigieg says he’s a gay Christian. As a Christian I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman—not two men, not two women. 2/3
The core of the Christian faith is believing and following Jesus Christ, who God sent to be the Savior of the world—to save us from sin, to save us from hell, to save us from eternal damnation 3/3
Yes, lets hear more about how left the left has gotten
You're still rattled because CHS made a "im gay" comment about Buttigieg? Sheesh. Nobody gives a fuck about Buttigieg. He won't win, but if he did he would be the most tolerable out of any of the 100000 Dems running for president.
Blow me dude. Has nothing to do with Buttigueg. That’s a right winged conservative asking a gay person in 2019 to repent. And yet the left are the ones being extreme.