jmog

As someone who isn’t supposed to eat sugar or carbs (diabetes runs in my family and mine is slightly higher than average) I have tried this and liked it a lot.  

Trump would be nearly 82 at the end of the next term. 

Biden would be 86 at the end of the next term.

But hey, Ptown says they are both of sound mind, and anyone that says difference he wants to see their medical license.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The NFL has no problem employing rapists and killers.  If one of the owners thought Kaepernick was good enough, he’d install a kneeler on the sideline for him to use before games.   The problem isn’t his wanting to be Malcolm X 2.0, the problem is that he’s just not that good enough.

It’s part of it though.

Tebow and Kaepernick are both good enough to be backup QBs in the NFL.

But both got ousted for the same reason, no coach wants a media distraction as their backup QB.

posted by Automatik

I prefer a cleaner look. I don't know why people keep the horrific RUBICON decals on their Jeeps. I'd ditch all stickers immediately.

Any plans to mod it? I'd go all weather mats and full ceramic tint to start. 

Getting a ceramic coating for paint and  undercoat for rust etc asap

No other plans on modding it until the warranty is up. 

posted by Automatik

NICE! I like it without the decals.

Are those side steps plastic? I would hope not, but I can't tell.

I do as well. 

Like my cousin said when I showed him yesterday. Everyone who knows trucks knows its a Raptor. The decals are just "showboating" to everyone else that you have a Raptor. 

I would have wanted the decals if it was any other color but black, but I definitely like how it looks better on a black one without it.

posted by Automatik

NICE! I like it without the decals.

Are those side steps plastic? I would hope not, but I can't tell.

No, they are metal with a textured hard grip coating

posted by Ironman92

Yeah…well my 2005 Accord hit 317,000 miles today

Nice. The Ford Focus I just got rid of a couple months ago was still going “ok” at 295,000 miles  

Well…

It happened yesterday. 

Spent months trying to find anyone selling one at MSRP…

no one is selling Raptor R at MSRP, most want $150-200k for a $109k truck)

Many are selling base model raptors ($80k) at or just over MSRP.

Nearly no one is selling a fully loaded 37in tire performance package Raptor at MSRP ($89k). Most asking for $105-110k.

I got lucky, a dealership In Lebanon OH (north of Cincy) had a customer custom order one, but it took 6 months due to part shortages so they bought one somewhere else in the mean time. The dealership had a fully loaded 37” tire package Raptor with everything except some of the Raptor decals/stickers (guy didn’t like them) and sold it at MSRP.

I picked it up yesterday.

Truck that I have wanted since they came out in 2010…

My F150 Raptor…

posted by ptown_trojans_1

My view? I say 50/50 as in I don't know. I can't dismiss either one of them. 

If I had to pick one, I'd say lab, but little confidence in that option.

I don't think we will ever know for sure unless we get some key intel or credible human sources, so anything is really guess work. 

50/50 whether this virus was from a lab or from bat soup? 

Come on ptown, what does logic/common sense tell you?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I. Don't. Know.

I don't know if her evidence is credible. Do you? Have you verified it? 

Ever heard of curveball? 

So who would be credible if not someone who worked there? 

In a generic sense, wouldn't that be someone who is most credible, an eye witness?

State Farm for both home and auto, mainly because of the huge discount we got on our home owners by having both. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I don't know. I don't have access to what material or primary sources that she brought out and if any of that information has been verified.

It's one data point and source. 

You cannot prove anything from one source.....

There is a famous example of why not...Iraq. 

You didn’t answer the question, you just deflected again.

Is she a credible human source?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

My view? I say 50/50 as in I don't know. I can't dismiss either one of them. 

If I had to pick one, I'd say lab, but little confidence in that option.

I don't think we will ever know for sure unless we get some key intel or credible human sources, so anything is really guess work. 

So the Doctor, who worked at the Wuhan Virology Lab, and fled China in 2020 to basically whistle blow what happened at that lab…

SHE isn’t a “credible human source”? 

If a doctor who actually worked at that lab isn’t a credible source in your opinion then zero credible sources exist on this planet in ptown’s world.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

We are arguing over semantics here. My standard for something like this is the how confident is the evidence that the intelligence community is providing. 

In a formal governmental setting like this, in order to prove something, have to show the evidence. You use the court argument, while I am using the intelligence community language and methods. Occam's razor won't cut it. That's my point. I think we are in agreement on what is possible, but do you have the evidence? So far no.

My view has always been to read into what the IC is releasing and how confident are they on matters of foreign policy, which this is. 

Ok, forget word play and semantics.

Down to brass tacks.  

What, in your view, is the percent chance COVID-19 came from a lab vs a bat at a wet market. 

60/40? 50/50?

posted by gut

I didn't pick up on it back then, but it's funny how uncomfortable and at a loss for words Colbert is.  He doesn't know if it's a bit, or if it's serious, or a combination of both.  Ends up awkwardly trying to downplay it.

Colbert was hilarious on the Daily Show.  But like a lot of people, Trump broke him.

Oh you can definitely see it in Colbert’s face he was like “dude, we aren’t supposed to say that out loud!”

Ptown needs this…

posted by Gardens35

Anyone on here familiar enough with lab processes to explain and/or offer up some scenarios on how something like this can be accidentally leaked?

Thanks.

I have been in and out of a lot of clean rooms in the past but not to this level that a virology lab would be. So I can’t say for sure and wouldn’t want to speculate or give false information.  I have my guesses but no more than that.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

1. You did not have facts early on. Everything was conjecture.

2. There is no hard evidence declassified yet to suggest with high certainty either course. 

For something this serious and important, the evidence and credibility and verification of that evidence is everything. The fact we do not have high confidence in where it came from is simply a fancy way of saying it is an educated guess. 

You are a data guy, you should understand intelligence agencies probability assessments and confidence levels. 

1. Occam’s razor. A coronavirus started in Wuhan China where there is a major coronavirus research lab located. Occam’s razor leaves all rational people to say “this new respiratory virus that has way weirder symptoms than regular respiratory viruses…it had to come from that lab right down the road…NOT FROM A FOOD MARKET”. 

Come on Ptown, drop the act.

2. Knowing it came from a lab is not the same as proving it beyond a reasonable doubt in criminal court.  The evidence suggests it, even a preponderance of evidence (>50/50) but not “beyond a reasonable doubt” required for criminal jail time. Yet it would pass muster in a civil case.

3. Your dense belief that we need to wait for declassified verification is intriguing yet you don’t follow that same reasoning/requirement when it’s a subject you already agree with on your side of the aisle.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

My view on a lab leak has changed as the facts have. Early on, when posters would suggest it, it was without evidence.

I agree we should really dig in, investigate, and declassify as much as we can. 

I also think there is big difference between an accidental lab leak, and the claim that China weaponized it and purposely released it. Zero evidence of that.

I think it is still a toss up it came from a lab naturally or by accident or came from a market. 

I will say, the people that are not open to it being a lab leak of some kind are the ignoring the growing evidence. 

1. The facts haven’t changed.  The information you have been given by the government/MSM has changed. That’s a real difference.

2. 50/50 that it still came from a wet market bat? Come on…no way you are serious. The only real question is was it accidentally leaked from a lab or on purpose. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I think Biden and the government should share everything they know about the origins of Covid.

I don’t think most people were accusing anyone thinking it came from a Chinese lab as being part of the tinfoil hat crowd, so this isn’t really some sort of redemption.  I think a lot of people thought it came from China.

I think tinfoil crowd was focusing on Covid being fake, on 5g towers causing it, on vaccines killing millions, etc.

Tell us you weren’t paying attention a few years ago without telling us