Covid-19 discussion, continued...

Pack of wild Karens in Idaho. They showed those cops!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8245221/Idaho-mom-arrested-protesting-coronavirus-lockdown-closed-playground.html

posted by SportsAndLady

You understand if we do a full re-opening, that people with underlying health issues will continue to die, right? 

Those with significant health conditions and their families are going to have to do their best to isolate those individuals until such time they decide not to.  The rest of the country is going to have to go back to work and return to some semblance of normal, albeit with greater attention to continued containment/mitigation.  We cannot burn down the village to save the village.

Will you be self-isolating in that situation?

posted by Automatik

Will you be self-isolating in that situation?

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

 

Those with significant health conditions and their families are going to have to do their best to isolate those individuals until such time they decide not to.  The rest of the country is going to have to go back to work and return to some semblance of normal, albeit with greater attention to continued containment/mitigation.  We cannot burn down the village to save the village.

Just curious, where is that line? You do know we are a very fat and unhealthy nation. 

Also, if I have a health condition and need to stay home, what is my employer going to do? Will they lay me off or keep me on for an undetermined time? If I am a small business owner and have an underlying health condition, how does that work? 

Quaker and CC’s plan is “all healthy people go back to work. All citizens with underlying health issues will self isolate”

Because that’s so cut and dry lol

posted by SportsAndLady

Quaker and CC’s plan is “all healthy people go back to work. All citizens with underlying health issues will self isolate”

Because that’s so cut and dry lol

Many people could have a underlying condition and not even know it.  I had a co-worker go to the hospital last month for what he thought was an upset stomach and found out he has a heart defect that he had since birth.  Big strong athletic guy who played hs and college sports.  He's in his mid 40s 

posted by geeblock

Many people could have a underlying condition and not even know it.  I had a co-worker go to the hospital last month for what he thought was an upset stomach and found out he has a heart defect that he had since birth.  Big strong athletic guy who played hs and college sports.  He's in his mid 40s 

That’s one of the thousand things that can go wrong with simply saying “if you’re healthy go back to work, if you’re not then self-isolate.”

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Pack of wild Karens in Idaho. They showed those cops!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8245221/Idaho-mom-arrested-protesting-coronavirus-lockdown-closed-playground.html

 

Being a cop would suck sometimes. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Quaker and CC’s plan is “all healthy people go back to work. All citizens with underlying health issues will self isolate”

Because that’s so cut and dry lol

I didn’t say it was cut and dry; people need to make decisions based on their health and good guidance.

We lose 40,000 people per year in traffic fatalities because we do not mandate a speed limit of 5 mph.  We accept the cost of the 40,000 lives in return for higher speed limits and permitting vehicle traffic. 

None of this is easy, but it can be approached rationally.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

 

I didn’t say it was cut and dry; people need to make decisions based on their health and good guidance.

 

We lose 40,000 people per year in traffic fatalities because we do not mandate a speed limit of 5 mph.  We accept the cost of the 40,000 lives in return for higher speed limits and permitting vehicle traffic. 

 

None of this is easy, but it can be approached rationally.

 

I love this false choice. We lost 40k people to this virus in a month and are losing about 1-2K per day. If we lost 40k to auto deaths in  a month, you better believe we would change our public policy to limit that. 

Also, sure people should make decisions based on their health, but there are legit questions of how will their employers protect them and what happens to jobs if people have to self quarantine for a while. 

If I get sick from being at my job and had to self quarantine, how does that work? Am I taking all my sick time? What if my employer does not offer sicktime? Do I have to use FMLA? What if they lay me off because I am fearful about coming in? Do I have grounds to sue for unfair termination? 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I love this false choice. We lost 40k people to this virus in a month and are losing about 1-2K per day. If we lost 40k to auto deaths in  a month, you better believe we would change our public policy to limit that. 

False choice and hyperbole are the building blocks of any good Quaker argument.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I love this false choice. We lost 40k people to this virus in a month and are losing about 1-2K per day. If we lost 40k to auto deaths in  a month, you better believe we would change our public policy to limit that. 

Also, sure people should make decisions based on their health, but there are legit questions of how will their employers protect them and what happens to jobs if people have to self quarantine for a while. 

If I get sick from being at my job and had to self quarantine, how does that work? Am I taking all my sick time? What if my employer does not offer sicktime? Do I have to use FMLA? What if they lay me off because I am fearful about coming in? Do I have grounds to sue for unfair termination? 

Please read up on the Families First Act and the Cares Act.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation?fbclid=IwAR2kBEGo8waJAqbw56fViPLovvIQ9M-iPHf0MDjNx_aag5cgvQP84hvcKPU

Reasoned

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

 

I didn’t say it was cut and dry; people need to make decisions based on their health and good guidance.

 

We lose 40,000 people per year in traffic fatalities because we do not mandate a speed limit of 5 mph.  We accept the cost of the 40,000 lives in return for higher speed limits and permitting vehicle traffic. 

 

None of this is easy, but it can be approached rationally.

 

Since this is a talking point your leader introduced (as opposed to you thinking it up), let's recall what else he said about it.  The first time he brought it up, there were a few hundred deaths from coronavirus.  He pointed out the number of car accident deaths (40,000) per year was far in excess of the number of virus deaths.  At the time, early in the pandemic, this was true.  Now it is not.  And has been pointed out on here, we've reached 46,000 dead in a little over a month.  If we lost 40,000 people in a month to car accidents, you can be assured that major steps would be taken to change that.  

On top of all this, the number of dead from coronavirus is a byproduct of the steps we've been taking as a society.  If we had not been social distancing for the last 5 weeks, we could be dealing with a number far higher.  

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation?fbclid=IwAR2kBEGo8waJAqbw56fViPLovvIQ9M-iPHf0MDjNx_aag5cgvQP84hvcKPU

 

 

Reasoned

Do you ever read anything that challenges your world view or just stuff that confirms it?  For someone who finds a way to mention most every day that he hates the media and believes it is all biased, you consume it at a rate far higher than most anyone I know.  I guess a heroin addict can still hate heroin. 

posted by friendfromlowry

Being a cop would suck sometimes. 

The one cop in there was as nice as possible.  What you find out in the story too was the main Karen had organized and planned the whole thing as a confrontation as opposed to being out for a nice day with her kids.  I guess she uses her kids as a prop to make her points.  And don't even try to put a vaccine anywhere near this woman's family.

"Go ahead and arrest me!"
"Hey, you can't arrest me!"

Quaker, if you aren't married, this chick would be perfect for you.

posted by QuakerOats

 

Please read up on the Families First Act and the Cares Act.

That is a good start and wow look at you championing a bill that in any other time you would be railing against. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The one cop in there was as nice as possible.  What you find out in the story too was the main Karen had organized and planned the whole thing as a confrontation as opposed to being out for a nice day with her kids.  I guess she uses her kids as a prop to make her points.  And don't even try to put a vaccine anywhere near this woman's family.

 

"Go ahead and arrest me!"
"Hey, you can't arrest me!"

 

Quaker, if you aren't married, this chick would be perfect for you.

Post of the year nominee

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Since this is a talking point your leader introduced (as opposed to you thinking it up), let's recall what else he said about it.  The first time he brought it up, there were a few hundred deaths from coronavirus.  He pointed out the number of car accident deaths (40,000) per year was far in excess of the number of virus deaths.  At the time, early in the pandemic, this was true.  Now it is not.  And has been pointed out on here, we've reached 46,000 dead in a little over a month.  If we lost 40,000 people in a month to car accidents, you can be assured that major steps would be taken to change that.  

On top of all this, the number of dead from coronavirus is a byproduct of the steps we've been taking as a society.  If we had not been social distancing for the last 5 weeks, we could be dealing with a number far higher.  

False.  The statistic was included in the cost/benefit column I posted by Walter Williams.

Sorry you missed it.