Covid-19 discussion, continued...

posted by Spock

This whole thread has turned stupid

Finally, an expert has weighed in!

posted by SportsAndLady

Trying to be funny? He called a deadly virus a hoax. People were DYING from this virus and he called it a hoax. Do you guys feel sorry for the victim’s families when someone calls the cause of their death a hoax? No of course not

He was just a private citizen making a stupid claim. It is a shame that these articles cause his whole life to be defined by a couple of posts.  I doubt anyone was taking their cues on how to react to the lockdown from him.  Big boys and girls in the newsroom should just let it be. 

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/walter-williams-covid-19-cost-benefit-analysis

45,000 have died in a little over a month.  Why don't we wait and see what the numbers are in time.  So far, minimizing it, comparing it to the flu, etc have proven to be way, way off the mark.  And the 45,000 is with all of the current measures in place.  Who knows what that number would be without those, but it would probably be a lot higher.  And for the zillionth time, the measures are to not overwhelm hospitals, not to give individuals a sense of safety.  

For me personally, I always think about karma and what blow back will look like before you say something or make a claim. I’ve seen it more than enough times to know shit always comes back to you. Maybe im superstitious... who knows. In my time on earth Ive seen karma come back around countless times. 
 

Eh, I'm not Hindu, Buddhist, Sihk, or Taoist, so I've never really been a believer in karma, as it stands.  I believe that a lot of actions have blow back, just not spiritually universe-driven blow back.

At this point, though, it does indeed seem ridiculous for people to try to compare it to the flu.  If you compare the two over an equal period of time, it's obviously been more deadly, even with measures in place.

posted by Spock

This whole thread has turned stupid

You first posted on this thread 13 days ago, so I'd guess that's when things started taking a turn for the stupid.

posted by Spock

This whole thread has turned stupid

posted by ernest_t_bass

Finally, an expert has weighed in!

I don't care who you are.  That's funny.

Acton not wanting to answer the death rate question about the Ohio prison with 2k cases says a lot. She said to ask the director of prisons.

We tested a population this is your chance to do a test and find out the death rate and she just says we need more tests. 

posted by sportchampps

Acton not wanting to answer the death rate question about the Ohio prison with 2k cases says a lot. She said to ask the director of prisons.

 

We tested a population this is your chance to do a test and find out the death rate and she just says we need more tests. 

They are acting like those cases are people that are actively sick.  A few are but 1800+ are people that tested positive with zero symptoms and arent "sick" and wont be "sick"

posted by Spock

They are acting like those cases are people that are actively sick.  A few are but 1800+ are people that tested positive with zero symptoms and arent "sick" and wont be "sick"

 

 

At the very least it would be a good place to look at and study and she basically said they were t even paying attention to it.

Back down to 380 new cases today

posted by sportchampps

At the very least it would be a good place to look at and study and she basically said they were t even paying attention to it.

There's some interesting information there, but also somewhat anecdotal as far as mortality rates.  Maybe it's an indicator that it's not that easy for healthy people to catch unless you're in confined spaces for long periods of time (as with some other examples on ships).  In other words, contagion being a function of exposure, and for typical exposures there's a higher mortality rate because healthier people don't contract it as easily.

I think she's probably right to ignore that.  That sort of anecdotal good news only encourages people to ignore guidelines and take this less seriously (which might be justifiable, we just don't have the data to know).

Of course, on a related note, I've already seen media stories using this high contagion rate to claim this is a vector to kill hundreds of thousands given 2M prisoners with an average stay of about 25 days.  Those same stories ignore the low mortality rate in those prisons, but they might have a point of prisons being a "NY subway-type" vector of transmission.

posted by Ironman92

Back down to 380 new cases today

National cases and deaths spiked yesterday, but look to be falling back near the recent trend today.  I wonder if data from yesterday won't end-up be revised, because it looks like an anomaly (maybe a backlog of cases that need to be re-assigned to the date taken rather than the date the test was completed).

posted by gut

National cases and deaths spiked yesterday, but look to be falling back near the recent trend today.  I wonder if data from yesterday won't end-up be revised, because it looks like an anomaly (maybe a backlog of cases that need to be re-assigned to the date taken rather than the date the test was completed).

As I mentioned earlier, if you download the states excel file everyday, the new cases reported for a certain day are never just for that day. It’s constantly backlogged. The last few days have been a combo of tons of new testing bc of the prison, and late data entry. 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-ny-coronavirus-patients-suffered-underlying-health-issue-study-finds

Recent study at one NY hospital of 5400 patients show that 94% of fatalities had other health conditions.  Obesity, diabetes etc.......  healthy people need to open this thing back up.  As the numbers start coming out in the next few weeks, its gonna show that this thing isnt that bad.

posted by Spock

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-ny-coronavirus-patients-suffered-underlying-health-issue-study-finds

 

Recent study at one NY hospital of 5400 patients show that 94% of fatalities had other health conditions.  Obesity, diabetes etc.......  healthy people need to open this thing back up.  As the numbers start coming out in the next few weeks, its gonna show that this thing isnt that bad.

You understand if we do a full re-opening, that people with underlying health issues will continue to die, right? 

I like the NY statistics.  What I would rather see, however, is reports on the "healthy" people who are dying.  We all know that people with underlying health and immuno-deficiencies are at a greater risk of death, and would come as no surprise.  But of the "healthy" people who are dying, are they 100% uncompromised?  Yes, they had healthy lifestyles, were fit, ate right, etc.  But was there anything that compromised their health in regards to COVID?  I think that would go much further than reporting that "water is wet." 

posted by Spock

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-ny-coronavirus-patients-suffered-underlying-health-issue-study-finds

 

Recent study at one NY hospital of 5400 patients show that 94% of fatalities had other health conditions.  Obesity, diabetes etc.......  healthy people need to open this thing back up.  As the numbers start coming out in the next few weeks, its gonna show that this thing isnt that bad.

You do realize 6% of a small sample size equates to a huge number in general population right? 

posted by Spock

https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-all-ny-coronavirus-patients-suffered-underlying-health-issue-study-finds

 

Recent study at one NY hospital of 5400 patients show that 94% of fatalities had other health conditions.  Obesity, diabetes etc.......  healthy people need to open this thing back up.  As the numbers start coming out in the next few weeks, its gonna show that this thing isnt that bad.

The problem all along with this is if you have "healthy" people mixing normally, that greatly increases the chances of them bringing the virus back home to people with underlying conditions. It seems impossible to segment people with these conditions, isolate them and open the economy to everyone else.