2020 Presidential Election thread

A woman I know.

Then:



And now:



Come on, people.  The hypocrisy of the mental gymnastics that people are displaying through all this is ridiculous.

posted by O-Trap

A woman I know.

Then:



And now:



Come on, people.  The hypocrisy of the mental gymnastics that people are displaying through all this is ridiculous.

Agreed.  But people will always look at it through their own filter.  One side never wants to hold itself to the same standard it wants to hold the other side.  Biden himself is on record of saying we need to always believe "survivors".  That is absolutely ludicrous, but he said it.  So he should be held to the same standard.  

I think it is a wash. Trump supporters already knew of previous allegations and his past, yet still vote for the guy for a whole host of other reasons. I think Biden supporters will be the same. They know his past may be filled with a lot of issues, yet will find a way or reasons to support him. 

It seems like that main reason to support Biden may be simply to beat Trump. 

If there was ever an example of a Realpolitik election, I think this may be it in 2020. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I think it is a wash. Trump supporters already knew of previous allegations and his past, yet still vote for the guy for a whole host of other reasons. I think Biden supporters will be the same. They know his past may be filled with a lot of issues, yet will find a way or reasons to support him. 

It seems like that main reason to support Biden may be simply to beat Trump. 

If there was ever an example of a Realpolitik election, I think this may be it in 2020. 

Oh come on. Trump supporters didn’t care about trump or anyone else doing it because they just don’t really care.  
Biden supporters were asking for Kavanaugh to be banished because of the allegations and now are supporting Biden when it’s practically the same thing. 
I’m not a trump guy and ive had my arguments with trump supporters on here. But lumping the two together is just a terrible comparison. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Oh come on. Trump supporters didn’t care about trump or anyone else doing it because they just don’t really care.  
Biden supporters were asking for Kavanaugh to be banished because of the allegations and now are supporting Biden when it’s practically the same thing. 
I’m not a trump guy and ive had my arguments with trump supporters on here. But lumping the two together is just a terrible comparison. 

I've got to agree.

Most of the Trump supporters I've seen are only making the comparisons to point out the hypocrisy.  Not to justify their actions in the prior election (though, frankly, the justification arguments are similar ... "Hillary is worse").

Basically, they've been saying all along that there's nuance to each case, and categorically believing one person over another in a "he-said-she-said" because there's nothing dangling between the legs is ludicrous.  That was met with such illogical hostility and accusations of advocating for rapists and rape culture that it seems like they're mostly making the comparisons now because they get to do with with a shit-eating grin and an "I told you so."

The big difference here is that Biden has been using his 40 year political career to take advantage of people.  Trump was a private person for that amount of time and even if he did grab some p$^&y.....he wasnt an elected official who used his office to also cover it up.

Wonder how much of that congressional slush fund congress has to pay off allegations were used for fingergate?

posted by Spock

The big difference here is that Biden has been using his 40 year political career to take advantage of people.  Trump was a private person for that amount of time and even if he did grab some p$^&y.....he wasnt an elected official who used his office to also cover it up.

 

Wonder how much of that congressional slush fund congress has to pay off allegations were used for fingergate?

Pretty sure sexual assault is equally shitty for private sector people.  This is a weird response.

posted by Spock

The big difference here is that Biden has been using his 40 year political career to take advantage of people.  Trump was a private person for that amount of time and even if he did grab some p$^&y.....he wasnt an elected official who used his office to also cover it up.

 

Wonder how much of that congressional slush fund congress has to pay off allegations were used for fingergate?

Lol what in the fuck?

Despite the personalities we have on here, if you'd offered me 2:1 odds on whether or not someone on OC would ever use the phrase "even if he did grab some p$^&y," I still don't think I would have taken it.

And yet, here we are.

posted by O-Trap

... if you'd offered me 2:1 odds on whether or not someone on OC would ever use the phrase "even if he did grab some p$^&y," I still don't think I would have taken it.

I'm putting $10 on  "it was 5% Tara Reade's fault"

I’m impressed with the spelling by the poster who typed “P$^&y”. 😆

posted by ptown_trojans_1

It seems like that main reason to support Biden may be simply to beat Trump.

And that is exactly how I feel. 

Everyone:  We are pointing out the hypocrisy of the left wanting to place Kavanaugh's head on a stake and now doing a complete 180 with Biden (even though there is more corroborating evidence).

CC: The difference is Biden did it as a public servant for 40 years and trump did it privately as a businessman.

lolwut??

Anyway, this whole episode is exactly why (amongst many other examples) I can't take the left seriously when they virtue.  99% of the time they are full of shit and living in a glass house. 

It's remarkable the GOP still falls for this shit too. 

posted by O-Trap

Pretty sure sexual assault is equally shitty for private sector people.  This is a weird response.

Well, asking taxpayers to pay for a congressman’s sexual assault settlements is actually light years different than a settlement related to a complaint or confidential agreement in the private sector.

As senator, Biden voted to block creation of office handling sexual harassment complaints, report

Biden and others objected to an amendment in the effort to create the Office of Senate Fair Employment Practices

Joe Biden, whose bid to become the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee has been beset by a sexual assault allegation during his time in as senator, reportedly voted against efforts to create a Senate office that addresses sexual harassment complaints.

Biden was one of six Democrats who joined an effort to block the Office of Senate Fair Employment Practices in 1991 on the grounds that it was unconstitutional, casting a "no" vote on a preliminary measure to move ahead with the effort, according to the Washington Free Beacon. 

The vote came roughly two years before Tara Reade allegedly filed a complaint about her treatment as an employee in Biden's Senate office. Reade in March made public the allegations, as Biden became the party’s presumptive presidential nominee.

Biden and the other senators reportedly object to an amendment proposed by Iowa GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley toward creating the office, under the 1991 Civil Rights Act and to end Congress’ exception from workplace discrimination laws. 

Then-Republican Sen. Warren Rudman attempted to derail the effort by declaring the Grassley amendment unconstitutional and striking it from the Civil Rights Act. 

However, the maneuver failed by a 76-22 vote, with Biden among those voting no, according to the Free Beacon. The amendment ultimately passed and the office was created.

https://justthenews.com/government/congress/biden

… he knew he had a groping problem

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

 

Well, asking taxpayers to pay for a congressman’s sexual assault settlements is actually light years different than a settlement related to a complaint or confidential agreement in the private sector.

That’s not a hill you want to die on, but anything to protect your political party!!!

posted by SportsAndLady

That’s not a hill you want to die on, but anything to protect your political party!!!

My post has nothing to do with a political party.  I was pointing out the significant, and quite obvious, difference between taxpayers paying for a congressman’s indiscretions vs. private parties settling their issues with their own money.  Sorry it went over your head.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

My post has nothing to do with a political party.  I was pointing out the significant, and quite obvious, difference between taxpayers paying for a congressman’s indiscretions vs. private parties settling their issues with their own money.  Sorry it went over your head.

Uh huh. I’m absolutely sure your opinion has NOTHING to do with the fact that one is a dem and one is a republican and you just so happen to side with the republicans side.