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Anyway, good move for the Dems to whack Biden (anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional) and force down a candidate that nobody would have voted for in a real primary. The media will do their best to paint Kamala as another Obama movement, and I think she will do better than Biden, but Kamala has the same problem as Biden. The only real thing going for her campaign is Trump (sprinkle in her sex and race).  I could obviously be wrong, but if their entire strategy is orange man is bad, I don’t think the result will be any different than if Biden were the candidate (which was his strategy).

posted by friendfromlowry

You have a really weird obsession with wanting people to admit they’re wrong. Notice how no one else gives a shit? 

I think when someone smugly defends their take as 100% fact for 3.5 years, they kinda deserve to be called out for it. I expected nothing less than the spin coming from moderate ptown though. Gotta respect the game.

posted by gut

Biden will announce he's dropping out, and then hours later forget he said it and the WH will walk it back.

Pretty much a Seinfeld episode.

Biden will announce he's dropping out, and then hours later forget he said it and the WH will walk it back.

The real minimum wage is zero.

This goes hard. Talk about an iconic historical photo.

posted by iclfan2

It isn’t like she’s the sharpest knife in the drawer. 

lol did Biden really introduce Zelensky as Putin?

This media turn is one of the craziest things I’ve seen. They tried so hard to pretend it wasn’t happening and then after one bad debate they all start spiraling. More people are coming out who were at the Juneteenth thing and saying he was clearly off there as well (as well as other events). You really can’t hate the media enough.

Just wait another 2-3 weeks when they do another 180 after accepting that Biden won’t step down.  By August we should hear about how fit Biden is to be president.

Biden isn’t dropping, but if he does he should resign immediately. Not fit to run for election, but fit to remain president? Doesn’t add up.

posted by gut

The problem with replacing Biden, perhaps even if he willingly steps aside, is people will feel it was orchestrated to deny them choosing the candidate in the primaries.  But at this point, might be the only way to save the Dems in the House and Senate.  Barring some surprise - which is entirely possible, especially with Trump - I think Trump will be POTUS even if the Dems nominate someone else in the convention.

Because now it must be clear, even to people like Ptown, that Biden is incapable and has been for some time.  And either the people actually running the country thought they could prop-up their figurehead for 4 more years, or replacing him with their hand-picked candidate was the plan all along.  That just won't fly with the margin they need to defeat Trump in the swing states.

The other problem with replacing him is the fact the Dems would essentially be admitting that they were gaslighting public for the last 2 years regarding Biden’s health.*  This is why I see 0 chance of Biden being replaced.  I also find it hilarious for those who cry Trump is a threat to democracy (even though he was voted out), yet those same people now want Biden to be replaced and put up whoever they want via superdelegates. A candidate wholly unelected by their base LOL.

*This was very obvious to many people, but apparently people like Ptown bought into it, or tried their hardesr to amplify the gaslighting. 

posted by jmog

I mean one calls them “the blacks”, the other “super predators”, but sure, “the blacks” is far worse.

If Biden hasn't also referred to them as "the blacks", he definitely takes their vote for granted.

Still funny to watch Geeblock say "I'm not voting for racists".  Exactly.  All the Dems have to do for your vote is convince you the other guy is racist.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You get the representation you deserve.

Congrats, coach. 

posted by gut

I don't know if I agree with that.  Trump is an unpredictable loose cannon that seems to enjoy insulting our allies.  I think that's the real reason the "deep state" worked so hard to obstruct and impeach Trump.

I really think all the people Trump hired to be his advisors that think he's dangerous shouldn't be dismissed.  Remember, Trump hires the best people!

Between Russia, Palestine and Iran I'm honestly more than a little concerned about Trump making those decisions.  And even if you believe Trump is better than Biden on foreign policy, you still have to acknowledge that the inevitable resistance movement from the left is going to undermine his effectiveness, perhaps dangerously so.

Unfortunately, I do agree with most of what you said, but not because of Trump being the reason. The left would rather see Trump fail even if it means the country fails across the board (foreign policy, economy, etc.). 

The left trying to sabotage Trump aside, his foreign policy is still better. The “Trump unstable and crazy” argument goes out the window when he was pretty much spot on with his criticism, and not to mention the world was more peaceful with crazy Trump in the WH.  It’s a tough pill to swallow for his critics, but our allies should have increased their defense spending a long time ago.  They needed a Russian invasion of Ukraine to wake up. 

On top of that, Trump actually speaks from a position of strength and acts upon it if needed.  He doesn’t do this half in half out appeasement bullshit straight from the Obama foreign policy playbook. Obama spoke about Isis being the JV squad, meanwhile Trump turned ISIS into a jr high squad.  Old man (Biden) yelled at the clouds to Iran not to retaliate, meanwhile Trump had Soilemani killed and informed Iran that the US has 50+ other targets if they even think about retaliating. 

You can talk about the “best people” Trump has advising him, but wtf has Blinken done exactly that deserves a round of applause? Are we supposed to be impressed, because he can chop it up with the French and their media, because he speaks fluently? 

If this election came down to foreign policy, Trump would win. Biden’s foreign policy has been nothing short of a disaster with Blinken. A liberal’s idea of foreign policy is whether or not Europe speaks favorably of the us or not. Meanwhile, the Biden admin wanted to brush off the Obama admin playbook of projecting weakness. 

posted by gut

Scientific "issues" are never subjective.  There may be competing theories and hypotheses, but "subjective" is a media-manufactured narrative where certain theories that support the agenda are promoted as "fact" and "consensus" while competing ideas are SUPPRESSED as "pseudo-science", "conspiracy theory" and "alternative facts".

And, yes, Covid provided numerous examples of all of the above.

Go back 20 years and straight news articles were generally separate from editorials, and were pretty balanced in discussing both sides of an argument's strengths and weaknesses.  What passes as straight news today are traditional editorials that skew and slant the facts, and bury counterpoints toward the end of the article.  And today's editorials are straight-up propaganda that resort to distortions and strawmen, if they even acknowledge counterpoints at all.

And a lot of useful idiots (quite the handful on this website) eat up those editorials.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

People like the option and do not want government restricting them. 

People love government restrictions.  Just not for them.

posted by Heretic

Seems to me that 2020 did a great job of illustrating that scientific issues can quickly become subjective issues when you have multiple scientific viewpoints on something, leading to people auto-gravitating towards whichever one mirrors their personal views on the matter.

Scientific "issues" are never subjective.  There may be competing theories and hypotheses, but "subjective" is a media-manufactured narrative where certain theories that support the agenda are promoted as "fact" and "consensus" while competing ideas are SUPPRESSED as "pseudo-science", "conspiracy theory" and "alternative facts".

And, yes, Covid provided numerous examples of all of the above.

Go back 20 years and straight news articles were generally separate from editorials, and were pretty balanced in discussing both sides of an argument's strengths and weaknesses.  What passes as straight news today are traditional editorials that skew and slant the facts, and bury counterpoints toward the end of the article.  And today's editorials are straight-up propaganda that resort to distortions and strawmen, if they even acknowledge counterpoints at all.

I admit to still being angry and resentful about all the covid business. My mother died with a nurse holding her hand because myself nor any other family was allowed in the room with her in her final minutes. And she, nor any of us, didn't even have covid! 

So yeah, I am not a person who is comfortable or tolerant with govt being so fucking heavy handed in the minutia of our lives. 

posted by Laley23

Ill start a petition for the "Sobotka Memorial Bridge"

Pretty much will resolve everything.

Ill start a petition for the "Sobotka Memorial Bridge"