posted by iclfan2So LA county thinks they are going to be able to keep the stay at home order through July? That’s insane, going to be so many business closures and bankruptcies.
Is that official? I don't get why any of these towns/cities/states/countries makes decisions like these so far in advance.
posted by like_thatIs that official? I don't get why any of these towns/cities/states/countries makes decisions like these so far in advance.
Supposedly would start opening things during it though. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-12/coronavirus-beaches-reopen-los-angeles-county-move-toward-new-normal
Also, has anyone been reading about the states that forced nursing homes to take recovering Covid patients? Nursing homes are about 1/3 of all deaths in the US. (Higher in other countries). Seems pretty irresponsible. https://nyti.ms/2SOfFEG
posted by iclfan2Supposedly would start opening things during it though. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-12/coronavirus-beaches-reopen-los-angeles-county-move-toward-new-normal
Also, has anyone been reading about the states that forced nursing homes to take recovering Covid patients? Nursing homes are about 1/3 of all deaths in the US. (Higher in other countries). Seems pretty irresponsible. https://nyti.ms/2SOfFEG
Nursing homes deaths are high in a lot of other countries too. If not nursing homes, it's just old people in general. I know I am pointing out the obvious there. More than 80% of Italy's deaths are people 70 years or older.
No, I am not downplaying their deaths, because they are old.
posted by like_thatNursing homes deaths are high in a lot of other countries too. If not nursing homes, it's just old people in general. I know I am pointing out the obvious there. More than 80% of Italy's deaths are people 70 years or older.
No, I am not downplaying their deaths, because they are old.
Right, so doesn’t this, along with more people having it than originally thought, make the mortality rate amongst the general public pretty low? I’m not downplaying the elderly deaths either, but it isn’t like it spread organically in all cases, if they basically sent sick patients in to a facility which then infected others.
Now we are seeing what college sports are doing. California cancelled all fall sports for its DII conferences. Several DI conferences are cancelling their conference tournaments for fall sports to accommodate regular season scheduling changes. Some conferences/schools are instituting travel restrictions to save on budgets.
NCAA President Emmert (who's a loon) says no sports if students aren't "on campus" for classes. Not sure why that's the case, as there's no clause in academics or intercollegiate athletics that states schooling can't be done online in order to play sports.
Anyone planning a vacation in the near future? If so, what criteria have you used to make the decision?
I think I'm going to Denver from mid-June to after the 4th. I've been asking around and reading about flying experiences. Seems ok, just have to take precautions.
Colorado is slowly opening. My parents, sister, BIL, and nephew are there.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieAnyone planning a vacation in the near future? If so, what criteria have you used to make the decision?
Italy is going to start reopening restaurants and barbers with social distancing guidelines on the 18th, which essentially means every type is business is now open in Italy, except theaters. Right now Italy isn't allowing leisure travel across borders. This would be the equivalent of going to another state. I think next weekend for memorial weekend we will drive to the Amalfi since it is in our region. Once they allow regional crossing (projected around June) we will be taking the train, flying, or driving to other regions immediately. I guess I haven't directly answered your question, but we plan to dive into it.
Went to Michigan last summer, stayed on Lake Michigan for a couple days. I’d like to do that again. Easy drive, not too expensive. Probably will wait until July or August though more so because if I’m going to go to the beach I want it to be hot.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieAnyone planning a vacation in the near future? If so, what criteria have you used to make the decision?
Headed 3.5 hours to see my family this weekend. We all decided it was safe to do for us. Kiddos really want to see their grandparents, and grandparents really want to see their grandchildren.
Really looking forward to it. Two months away sucked.
posted by iclfan2Right, so doesn’t this, along with more people having it than originally thought, make the mortality rate amongst the general public pretty low? I’m not downplaying the elderly deaths either, but it isn’t like it spread organically in all cases, if they basically sent sick patients in to a facility which then infected others.
I was looking at the Ohio stats the other day. I’m sure they have updated since then but it was 10,600 cases reported in age 49 and less and only 27 deaths. Now how many people under 49 have had it without being tested shows the rate is extremely low for people under 50.
We had planned a trip to Toronto in July, but will not be going. Currently, the only thing on my calendar is the rescheduled Indy 500 in August, and I have no idea if it will actually happen, or if we'll go.
I saw my mom for the first time since February and my stepdad for the first time since Christmas on Sunday. My husband, sister and I went for a visit, but stayed outside (minus going into their walkout basement to use the facilities).
Right now it looks like it will be a very lowkey summer. My parents have a pool, so their house will likely be the extent of my travel. I even feel anxious about that since my mom has COPD.
posted by sportchamppsI was looking at the Ohio stats the other day. I’m sure they have updated since then but it was 10,600 cases reported in age 49 and less and only 27 deaths. Now how many people under 49 have had it without being tested shows the rate is extremely low for people under 50.
Very long article but interesting graph and data included.
https://freopp.org/a-new-strategy-for-bringing-people-back-to-work-during-covid-19-a912247f1ab5
I don’t think anyone’s challenging that the majority of deaths are in elderly people. I think the point is that if they reopen and make everything back to normal, the majority of people will be fine. But, elderly people will continue to die in large volumes because Asymptomatic younger people will pass it to them. Governments can’t just say “okay it’s only elderly people dying, let’s go ahead and open back up”
I think you obviously have to get back to normal soon, but it needs to be at a slow pace.
There was a tweet floating around by some politician -- deaths in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana of people 29 and under. It was 4; 1 in Ohio, 0 in Kentucky, and possibly 3 in Indiana.
It was weird to see the word possibly in there (it could have been potentially). I would imagine these numbers are actually better than flu numbers.
I cannot verify those stats. Nor did anyone deny those in the tweets.
posted by SportsAndLadyI don’t think anyone’s challenging that the majority of deaths are in elderly people. I think the point is that if they reopen and make everything back to normal, the majority of people will be fine. But, elderly people will continue to die in large volumes because Asymptomatic younger people will pass it to them. Governments can’t just say “okay it’s only elderly people dying, let’s go ahead and open back up”
I think you obviously have to get back to normal soon, but it needs to be at a slow pace.
Elderly people, especially those with underlying conditions, need to shelter themselves with the aid of family members and medical professionals. We know that is where the vulnerability lies; we can deal with it, and still open the economy. It must occur, and I am confident that those elderly folks completely understand that.
posted by OSHThere was a tweet floating around by some politician -- deaths in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana of people 29 and under. It was 4; 1 in Ohio, 0 in Kentucky, and possibly 3 in Indiana.
That's pretty much how it works with the flu. People under 50 die from the flu every year, but it's usually kind of a fluke. Usually the result of a hyperactive immune response.
It's really amazing that some people are taking the position to keep the whole country locked down until we are almost virus-free. Or even just that a few clusters means the whole country needs to stay shutdown. The guy in OH can't go to work because that might trigger a chain reaction that infects your grandmother in TX?!? Your grandmother is retired - she can be quarantined for her protection. But you know what, she might decide that she wants to spend her remaining years living, rather than sheltering in place waiting for a vaccine that might never come.
posted by SportsAndLadyI don’t think anyone’s challenging that the majority of deaths are in elderly people. I think the point is that if they reopen and make everything back to normal, the majority of people will be fine. But, elderly people will continue to die in large volumes because Asymptomatic younger people will pass it to them. Governments can’t just say “okay it’s only elderly people dying, let’s go ahead and open back up”
I think you obviously have to get back to normal soon, but it needs to be at a slow pace.
No, but they should have been coming up with a plan a month ago on how to protect them while getting everyone else to work.
posted by like_thatNo, but they should have been coming up with a plan a month ago on how to protect them while getting everyone else to work.
True. But even with a plan in place, people are still going to be idiots and pass the virus to elderly because they didn’t listen. Or elderly people are just going to go into “don’t give a fuck” mode and say “if I get it, I get it”.
Not sure what the solution is. But elderly and severe underlying health issue, I would imagine you’re not thrilled about America opening back up. But agree we can’t stay shut down. So in conclusion: I don’t fucking know what to do
posted by SportsAndLadyTrue. But even with a plan in place, people are still going to be idiots and pass the virus to elderly because they didn’t listen. Or elderly people are just going to go into “don’t give a fuck” mode and say “if I get it, I get it”.
Not sure what the solution is. But elderly and severe underlying health issue, I would imagine you’re not thrilled about America opening back up. But agree we can’t stay shut down. So in conclusion: I don’t fucking know what to do
I'm kind of amazed that there were apparently no federal guidelines, and oversights in numerous (most?) states regarding nursing homes. If there's one place the federal, state and local response has clearly failed that's the one. I think Cuomo said "they're private businesses". LOL, didn't stop us from telling every other private business how to operate.
Saw a Florida article that DeSantis still hasn't provided the PPE and funding nursing homes have requested to make things safer.
And it sort of circles back to the question of, if we can't even secure nursing homes, then WTF are we hoping to accomplish with these lockdowns? I think these quasi-quarantines are a huge failure with respect to the cost ($6T and counting). Not saying it was wrong to try, but we tried and it really isn't working.
Also, for FFS, the very FIRST outbreak in the US was a nursing home!!!! 3 months later we still don't know what to do.
