It’s a good thing he’s dead. His own insurance claims would make him wanna die

posted by Devils Advocate

It’s a good thing he’s dead. His own insurance claims would make him wanna die

Ah, he just would have been denied coverage. His pre-existing condition of being a CEO of a healthcare company would be a real detriment.

Reps 😂

Did you all see the video? 

posted by justincredible

Did you all see the video? 

No….really bad?

It’s quite obvious from the video and the police briefing that this was a disgruntled employee or someone who was denied coverage (themselves or close family member) because they laid in wait just for him.  

posted by jmog

It’s quite obvious from the video and the police briefing that this was a disgruntled employee or someone who was denied coverage (themselves or close family member) because they laid in wait just for him.  

How did they know he was going to be there? Someone on the inside had to have helped 

posted by Ironman92

No….really bad?

No, actually not gruesome or anything. But wild. You can find it on Xwitter without looking too hard.

Was this a pro “hit”?

posted by Ironman92

How did they know he was going to be there? Someone on the inside had to have helped 

It was an investors meeting most of those are open to any investors to go to or join in on a conference call to it’s pretty easy to find out the location of said meeting

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Was this a pro “hit”?

100%. Just like they took out John Dutton.

posted by Devils Advocate

It’s a good thing he’s dead. His own insurance claims would make him wanna die

It’s a weird thing that you and many others on this shit internet like the fact that he’s dead. As if he’s the problem with healthcare. Pretty fucked up actually. 

A lot of people speculating that the shooter list a loved one, for obvious reasons.

My own speculation:

I would think that if it was directly personal, the shooter would have shot the guy while facing him. That would have made it feel more personal. But to ambush and shoot would be a more impersonal thing. Just a job.

He is a left wing nutjob.  The product of an elite education.

I'll be honest, I haven't dug in too deep because I don't really care, but he doesn't appear to be a leftist. Seems like a non-political techbro.

From what I read he is an anti-capitalist.  Some dude who believes violence can be just for the greater good.  Does not look like a guy personally wronged in anyway.

If he had no personal harm and is just some sort of anti-capitalist vigilante that is crazy.

That said, I read the AVERAGE denial rate in health insurance is 17%.  Amazing.  Of course, that likely includes many legit denials (such as electives, attempted fraud, and stuff that isn't actually covered).

But United was more than double that rate at 35%!  And they're the largest insurer in the country.

Which seems absurd.  The flip side is they only make 7-8% operating margin, which still seems about double the industry average.  Now, on almost $400B in revenue, that extra 4% equates to $16B!

Anyway, among many things broken in the industry, it seems maybe our health insurance costs are too low (ignoring other issues) such that if United denied only 17% of claims they probably lose money.  Insurers also really stick it to the small, independent hospitals on reimbursement, which is another grossly broken aspect of healthcare.

He did everything perfectly. Except for where he took off the mask he had on the entire fucking time he was there just so he could flirt with some chick at a hotel or something like that.

All goes to show that the fact us dudes are constantly horny really does get in the way of success. Immaculately designed plan to get in, kill a dude and get out and he got caught because he wanted to hit on a chick and that led to a reasonably good pic of him circulating around. Should have rubbed one out in the shower that morning, my man!

I'm sure the Hollywood studios are already lining up for the movie rights.

Still, it's hard to evade all the cameras everywhere no matter how well you planned.  Seems he did, except like you said for the moment he took off the mask to flirt.

posted by Heretic

He did everything perfectly. Except for where he took off the mask he had on the entire fucking time he was there just so he could flirt with some chick at a hotel or something like that.

All goes to show that the fact us dudes are constantly horny really does get in the way of success. Immaculately designed plan to get in, kill a dude and get out and he got caught because he wanted to hit on a chick and that led to a reasonably good pic of him circulating around. Should have rubbed one out in the shower that morning, my man!

Until she saw his ridiculously small hands. No woman wants to be handled with prepubescent sized hands 🤷‍♀️

posted by gut

If he had no personal harm and is just some sort of anti-capitalist vigilante that is crazy.

That said, I read the AVERAGE denial rate in health insurance is 17%.  Amazing.  Of course, that likely includes many legit denials (such as electives, attempted fraud, and stuff that isn't actually covered).

But United was more than double that rate at 35%!  And they're the largest insurer in the country.

Which seems absurd.  The flip side is they only make 7-8% operating margin, which still seems about double the industry average.  Now, on almost $400B in revenue, that extra 4% equates to $16B!

Anyway, among many things broken in the industry, it seems maybe our health insurance costs are too low (ignoring other issues) such that if United denied only 17% of claims they probably lose money.  Insurers also really stick it to the small, independent hospitals on reimbursement, which is another grossly broken aspect of healthcare.

Might not be what you are saying but a couple examples…. Last week my wife was bitten by a tick in the night. Woke up and did a telehealth virtual call and Dr/nurse practitioner had her online for 12 minutes called her in meds.

She received her bill today and the telehealth bill was $737. I have no clue why and on the other end insurance paid $699 leaving us to pay $38, which wasn’t enough but seems like the insurance was getting heavily screwed.

Back 4 years ago when I was diagnosed with cervical dystonia I had to have botox shots every 3 months. My local hospital Adena the shots cost $5000…..I was seen at Cleveland Clinic, same amount of Botox was going to be $3300. I ended up at OSU where the Dr or an act of god cured me. The 2x I received botox from OSU each time was $1200. Seems like the hospitals were again abusing prices to have insurance take it.

posted by Ironman92

Might not be what you are saying but a couple examples…. Last week my wife was bitten by a tick in the night. Woke up and did a telehealth virtual call and Dr/nurse practitioner had her online for 12 minutes called her in meds.

She received her bill today and the telehealth bill was $737. I have no clue why and on the other end insurance paid $699 leaving us to pay $38, which wasn’t enough but seems like the insurance was getting heavily screwed.

Back 4 years ago when I was diagnosed with cervical dystonia I had to have botox shots every 3 months. My local hospital Adena the shots cost $5000…..I was seen at Cleveland Clinic, same amount of Botox was going to be $3300. I ended up at OSU where the Dr or an act of god cured me. The 2x I received botox from OSU each time was $1200. Seems like the hospitals were again abusing prices to have insurance take it.

One of my partners in my company was diagnosed with colon cancer the day I was hired in 10/1993. He was cancer free until about a year ago when it returned. 

Instead of chemo, he's doing some sort of infusion therapy, which has been extremely successful. He's right around 70 years old so decided to go on Medicare instead of using my company's insurance (Anthem BC/BS). 

Cost per treatment with insurance? 50K per treatment. With Medicare? 10k per treatment. 

Insurance companies gouge the f#ck out of people. You're better off saying you're uninsured and they likely won't charge you crap.

posted by BR1986FB

One of my partners in my company was diagnosed with colon cancer the day I was hired in 10/1993. He was cancer free until about a year ago when it returned. 

Instead of chemo, he's doing some sort of infusion therapy, which has been extremely successful. He's right around 70 years old so decided to go on Medicare instead of using my company's insurance (Anthem BC/BS). 

Cost per treatment with insurance? 50K per treatment. With Medicare? 10k per treatment. 

Insurance companies gouge the f#ck out of people. You're better off saying you're uninsured and they likely won't charge you crap.

I don’t think it’s insurance doing the “charging”. The medical provider is charging the amounts. Insurance just covers blank amount or has contracted rates. Medicare either has a better rate with the provider or covers more. Maybe medical providers are the out of control ones?

It seems like Healthcare is expensive but when you add for profit middlemen its always going to be more expensive. 

posted by iclfan2

I don’t think it’s insurance doing the “charging”. The medical provider is charging the amounts. Insurance just covers blank amount or has contracted rates. Medicare either has a better rate with the provider or covers more. Maybe medical providers are the out of control ones?

Oh, I don't doubt this. My lady used to work at Alliance Hospital and she got a headache, got one Tylenol and told them to put it on her payroll deduction spending account. Got a bill for $100 for one Tylenol. Don't disagree at all with what you're saying.