Why no school shooter thread?

posted by SportsAndLady

Yeah, it’s damn near impossible to stop. That Vegas shooter was supposed to be in a room at the top of the Congress Hotel overlooking lollapalooza. Would have shot right down at me. I was at that stage Saturday night under the Congress. You can’t stop crazy. 

I saw that.  Just look at parades and marathons in the big cities and the many, many places Vegas could repeat itself.

As for the gun control stuff.  It's a nice idea, but look at how successful we are at stopping drugs, sex slaves and other shit (and illegal immigrants) coming into this country.  The Vegas shooter, if he couldn't get himself a "legal" automatic weapon, certainly had the means and motivation to acquire an illegal M16.  And it will take 100 years, maybe longer, for all the stolen guns currently out there to disappear or stop working (ignoring 3D printed weapons are literally right around the corner from being mainstream).

posted by SportsAndLady

This guy is a coward for not helping CHILDREN getting slaughtered. Spare me the “you don’t know what you’d do in that situation” bullshit. I don’t care if there’s a 100% chance I’m dying, if children are inside a school trapped with a psychopath with a gun shooting them, I’m running in to try SOMETHING. 

Don’t agree with S&L much, but that guy was a pussy. The only reason you have an armed officer at a school is to stop a shooting, it was literally his only real job. I’m not asking him to sacrifice himself, but he could have snuck in and engaged the shooter. 15 year olds were sacrificing themselves for other kids and you got this old ass dude (and as we now learned 3 others) hiding outside. It’s despicable. Not only should he not be allowed to retire with a pension but he should be sued, as should the sheriff and the entire department.

The fucked up thing, which doesn’t help liberal arguments, is that courts have sided that cops don’t legally have to protect anyone so nothing will happen to the guy other than being embarrassed the rest of his life.

posted by SportsAndLady

This guy is a coward for not helping CHILDREN getting slaughtered. Spare me the “you don’t know what you’d do in that situation” bullshit. I don’t care if there’s a 100% chance I’m dying, if children are inside a school trapped with a psychopath with a gun shooting them, I’m running in to try SOMETHING. 

We would all like to think we’d do the same. But there is no way to know the answer until faced with it. Saying you’d do it if in the same situation - if you’ve never had the experience - doesn’t mean anything. 

I think we should wait to hear the whole story before we pass judgement on the guy - to not act like his police chief. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

We would all like to think we’d do the same. But there is no way to know the answer until faced with it. Saying you’d do it if in the same situation - if you’ve never had the experience - doesn’t mean anything. 

 

I think we should wait to hear the whole story before we pass judgement on the guy - to not act like his police chief. 

You’re in charge of protecting a school, and someone is inside shooting the innocent children, and you’re not sure how you’d respond? 

posted by SportsAndLady

You’re in charge of protecting a school, and someone is inside shooting the innocent children, and you’re not sure how you’d respond? 

I would expect myself to get in there - just like you. 

My my point on this guy is that I think we need to withhold judgement until all the story’s been told. If he failed in his duty, that is bad.  He would have failed at something a lot of other people would have failed at too. On top of that, he will have to live with unimaginable guilt. 

The FBI and the sheriff are much more culpable though. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

 

The FBI and the sheriff are much more culpable though. 

Disagree. If he were some gomer that just happened to be there, fine. When I took my concealed weapons training, we were told that just because a lot of people choose to live as sheep, we aren't signing up to be sheepdogs. Law enforcement officers sign up to be that, take an oath to be that, get paid to be that. A LOT of blood is on his hands.

The issue with the cop(s) who did nothing is that their job was specifically to do something. It's not some scenario where some teachers who've done nothing but training classes and gun practice got confronted with an actual "DGAF" shooter and froze. This is a person whose job entails minor details such as "to protect and serve" and for whatever reason (cowardice and incompetence are the only two coming to mind) chose not to in a situation where his presence could have ended the situation or at least provided a means for more students to survive.

It says a lot when an assistant football coach and a youth ROTC member were willing to sacrifice themselves to protect others and another random kid is (I think) still in a hospital with five gunshot wounds because he did the same, but the guy whose presence is supposed to be the preventative measure for these things was nowhere to be found when the shit hit the fan.

posted by SportsAndLady

You’re in charge of protecting a school, and someone is inside shooting the innocent children, and you’re not sure how you’d respond? 

It all comes down to the fight or flight response.   Just because he was a cop doesn't mean he has the fight and until he was put into the situation there is no way to know for sure.

As a cop, or a soldier, you woild expect him to fight but obviously that cop was a complete coward.

We would all hope we woild respond with the fight but in every situation we see those who flee, those who protect others and  those who tend to the injured.    

Anyone catch the Sheriff this morning? No clue how that condescending fuck still hasn’t resigned. Jake Tapper, who usually plays prettt even on twitter but leans more left on tv, absolutely destroyed him.

https://twitter.com/ellisonbarber/status/967772145072865280?s=12

posted by iclfan2

Anyone catch the Sheriff this morning? No clue how that condescending fuck still hasn’t resigned. Jake Tapper, who usually plays prettt even on twitter but leans more left on tv, absolutely destroyed him.

https://twitter.com/ellisonbarber/status/967772145072865280?s=12

Didn’t watch, but I really question how in the hell this guy is in charge. All it’s been is excuses from him. At least the FBI leadership stepped up and acknowledged that they’d failed along tje line and will investigate to figure out why. This guy constantly blames the legal system for his office’s failure. Then he throws his own guy totally under the bus. That school officer may have failed in his duty, but a leader does not publicly cast blame on one of his own team members. I’d never want to be a cop on this guy’s force. 

4 cops standing outside does make you wonder....Were they told to stand down (or wait for SWAT)?  Or is this one of those lazy suburbs where none of the officers on the force have ever fired their gun?

unreal

posted by justincredible

Who wants to look down the bar fell of that?

No one.

But when you sign up for some jobs that is something you kinda signed up for.

That asst fb coach didn't have that in his job description but he did it.

The cop is a coward 

It reminds me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan, where that journalist froze.

That kid sucks so bad. He's a spoon fed liberal billboard, and a dumbass.

posted by iclfan2

That kid sucks so bad. He's a spoon fed liberal billboard, and a dumbass.

I don't know....looks to me like two different publications put contradictory words in his mouth.

And while those officers may have been outgunned, they also have training and outnumbered him.  They could have maybe found some cover and had him pinned down in a cross-fire even if they couldn't get close enough to shoot accurately.

Belly Views and Opinion .... 

Lots of comments and opinions I would love to debate with everyone over a cold beer and corn beef sandwich but that not going to happen.

I’m in favor of present gun law being enforces and I’m also in favor of change:

Because we no longer have a Draft I think this should be reflective in the age of purchase (20, 21), however if the individual is and has served his country then a purchase of a weapon should be permitted.

Also the purchase of a weapon should require CCW ( to carry) or Training Permit ( to own) before purchase is obtained and a back ground check is researched. No need to change our 2nd Amendment and gun control.  Just have a trained and educated weapon owners… or is that something the liberal and democrat are afraid of.

Why do I have a AR? The #1 answer is simple to protect the Constitution, secure and protect the 1St, 2nd and 4th Amendment that our founding fathers with the wisdom, intellectual and vision has provided as a base for all Americans freedom. Politician, political parties and legal courts today are not worthy to alter The Constitution. It is the right of the citizen of this great country to protect ourselves from government control. #2 to be prepared to defend myself, my family and those weaker from harm. 

What to know why it is a good idea to have volunteer Vets help support and protect schools because we have faced the oncoming bullets.  Its argue that the average age of Vietnam soldiers was 19 years old, I was 19 in country and 20 as a squad leader. Many of today Veteran have experience in room to room combat and training. Once you are a soldier and have been forge in real combat you understand your role, dedication to duty and the assignment to accomplish at all cost.  Bring back the Draft and weed out the weak and cowards.

Here we are America taking a knee jerk reaction, guidance from emotional kids, pointing fingers, finding blame and demand for local, state and federal government to react. For years we as a society have declined in the social skills, social behavior, physical ability, spiritual guidance, community unity, national pride, parental responsibility demands, law enforcement and counseling data profiling, school authority etc.  Now a quick fix to appease the media, few that are affected by the event and those who agenda this will support. The “True” fix is not spontaneous but an evaluation of the American society and the effects of what we have done to get to where we are at now… and change that agenda.

posted by gut

I don't know....looks to me like two different publications put contradictory words in his mouth.

And while those officers may have been outgunned, they also have training and outnumbered him.  They could have maybe found some cover and had him pinned down in a cross-fire even if they couldn't get close enough to shoot accurately.

No, he defended the cop a few days ago, then blamed Scott later. Hasn't blamed the Sheriff yet. Regardless, he still sucks. Trying to lead boycotts of Fedex and other companies because that's what people are telling him to do. If he wants to be paraded around TV he needs to be ready for the opinion that he's an idiot and knows next to nothing about what he speaks. Also, the campus was 45 some acres, this kid was nowhere near the Freshman building and probably never spoke to any of those kids. He is capitalizing off of his 15 minutes of fame.

posted by Belly35

 

Belly Views and Opinion .... 

Lots of comments and opinions I would love to debate with everyone over a cold beer and corn beef sandwich but that not going to happen.

I’m in favor of present gun law being enforces and I’m also in favor of change:

Because we no longer have a Draft I think this should be reflective in the age of purchase (20, 21), however if the individual is and has served his country then a purchase of a weapon should be permitted.

Raising the age to buy strips the Constitutional rights away from 18/19/20 year olds. Do they not have the right to self defense?