The Russia/Ukraine situation


Fletch Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 12:33 PM

CNN is a clownshow.


As for what Russia is doing.......NATO has is destroyed if this goes on.  We look like fools.  Its obvious that Russia and China are more powerful then we are.

brutus161 The Navy Guy
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 12:37 PM
posted by justincredible

I think this deserves its own thread.

And, to start things off...

I'll do my part to support the Ukranian people by not going to Applebee's

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 12:41 PM
posted by brutus161

I'll do my part to support the Ukranian people by not going to Applebee's

It's the least that all of us can do.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 12:48 PM

I own a microwave and have beer in the fridge. I'm literally an Applebee's.

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 12:56 PM
posted by justincredible

I own a microwave and have beer in the fridge. I'm literally an Applebee's.

Please tell me that you don't have that shit-ass hick song from the commercial in your record collection.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 1:05 PM
posted by Heretic

Please tell me that you don't have that shit-ass hick song from the commercial in your record collection.

I do not.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 1:15 PM

I think Russia is playing the only card it has (assuming Putin wishes to project power).  He knows Ukraine is not going to get foreign troops to its rescue and is okay with sanctions, which will not affect him or his cronies.  His initial displays of missiles and bombs, while "shock and awe" will not last forever.  If Russia wishes to occupy Ukraine, eventually Russians are going to start dying.  Then we'll see what how much of a stomach the Russian people have for his ambitions.  Maybe they'll be okay that.  But maybe they won't.  We'll see.  

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 1:20 PM

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 1:41 PM
posted by justincredible

"Special kind of bravery", you can say that again.  Admire people with balls like that.

sportchampps Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 1:48 PM

I’m more worried China uses this to try and seize control over Taiwan and then all hell breaks lose. 


A couple higher ups have told me they are expecting cyber attacks on our banking system and having a small amount of cash on hand may be smart.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 2:09 PM
posted by sportchampps

I’m more worried China uses this to try and seize control over Taiwan and then all hell breaks lose. 


A couple higher ups have told me they are expecting cyber attacks on our banking system and having a small amount of cash on hand may be smart.


Would not be surprised by anything China does, and if you just watched that biden press conf you know why Putin is on the move -- weak and feeble is not a deterrent.  


We are soooo screwed.

majorspark Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 2:24 PM
posted by justincredible

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10546799/More-150-senior-Russian-officials-sign-open-letter-condemning-Putins-invasion-Ukraine.html

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 2:28 PM

Some of the smarter analysts have been warning that global energy policy could embolden Putin.

Basically, shunning fossil fuels - and especially nuclear - in favor of expensive and unreliable "green" energy left Europe dependent on natural gas from Russia.  Compounded by Biden shutting down some energy production here.

Germany is especially vulnerable.  I think there has to be a lot of grifting going on, globally, given the neglect for nuclear.  If it was truly a climate crisis, nuclear would have almost completely replaced fossil fuels by now.  But, actually, fossil fuel use has continued a steady rise, despite the increase in renewables.  Nuclear energy production has been basically flat for the past 20+ years.

And what I read on nuclear waste - ALL nuclear waste, ever, would fill a football field 10 meters deep.  That's kind of nothing, really.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 2:37 PM
posted by gut

  If it was truly a climate crisis, nuclear would have almost completely replaced fossil fuels by now. 

Great point.  I think that makes a ton of sense.  The way out of fossil fuels is already here, has been for a long time and is dying out.  That shows a ton.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 2:41 PM

If this keeps up, there are going to be a lot of accidental falls from balconies in the coming weeks.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10546799/More-150-senior-Russian-officials-sign-open-letter-condemning-Putins-invasion-Ukraine.html

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 2:43 PM
posted by gut

Some of the smarter analysts have been warning that global energy policy could embolden Putin.

Basically, shunning fossil fuels - and especially nuclear - in favor of expensive and unreliable "green" energy left Europe dependent on natural gas from Russia.  Compounded by Biden shutting down some energy production here.

Germany is especially vulnerable.  I think there has to be a lot of grifting going on, globally, given the neglect for nuclear.  If it was truly a climate crisis, nuclear would have almost completely replaced fossil fuels by now.  But, actually, fossil fuel use has continued a steady rise, despite the increase in renewables.  Nuclear energy production has been basically flat for the past 20+ years.

And what I read on nuclear waste - ALL nuclear waste, ever, would fill a football field 10 meters deep.  That's kind of nothing, really.

majorspark Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 2:48 PM

John Kerry is concerned this will distract from climate change.  Dudes a joke.

8,788 posts 20 reps Joined Nov 2009
Thu, Feb 24, 2022 3:26 PM

This is bad, but is not historically bad. This is just the latest of Soviet, Russian incursion in their historic sphere of influence. This is just like Hungary in the 50s and Czech in the 1970s. Under Russia, this is in the Chechnya and Georgia invasions. This is just on a larger scale. 

But, Russia is still playing in their historic sandbox. They have not invaded a NATO country or threatened to do so far. That is where Putin knows he cannot do. Ukraine should not become a member of NATO also. 

I'd also say, this is just the end result of 20+ years of taking apart cooperative security measures that were put in place at the end of the Cold War. When you take away arms control measures, like INF treaty, Open Skies treaty, add in missile defense in Poland, reduce shared cooperative security engagements and as other mentioned let Russia be the energy producer in Europe, you get this. 

Isolating Russia on banking and the international market is really all we can do. Then again, that was all we could do during the Cold War too. 

This is bad, but not 1980s level bad..when they start to talk nuclear launches in western Europe like in the 1980s...then we can talk. 

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 24, 2022 3:33 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

This is bad, but is not historically bad. This is just the latest of Soviet, Russian incursion in their historic sphere of influence. This is just like Hungary in the 50s and Czech in the 1970s. Under Russia, this is in the Chechnya and Georgia invasions. This is just on a larger scale. 

But, Russia is still playing in their historic sandbox. They have not invaded a NATO country or threatened to do so far. That is where Putin knows he cannot do. Ukraine should not become a member of NATO also. 

I'd also say, this is just the end result of 20+ years of taking apart cooperative security measures that were put in place at the end of the Cold War. When you take away arms control measures, like INF treaty, Open Skies treaty, add in missile defense in Poland, reduce shared cooperative security engagements and as other mentioned let Russia be the energy producer in Europe, you get this. 

Isolating Russia on banking and the international market is really all we can do. Then again, that was all we could do during the Cold War too. 

This is bad, but not 1980s level bad..when they start to talk nuclear launches in western Europe like in the 1980s...then we can talk. 



I'm glad an incursion is just bombing the heck out of targets in another country, taking over their airfields and other strongholds, and airlifting troops in.  For a minute, I thought something serious was happening. 



8,788 posts 20 reps Joined Nov 2009
Thu, Feb 24, 2022 3:36 PM
posted by sportchampps

I’m more worried China uses this to try and seize control over Taiwan and then all hell breaks lose. 


A couple higher ups have told me they are expecting cyber attacks on our banking system and having a small amount of cash on hand may be smart.

It has been US policy since Truman to not allow Taiwan to be taken by force. So, that is very different than Ukraine which is not a member of NATO. 

Apples and oranges.


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