posted by QuakerOats
I'm glad an incursion is just bombing the heck out of targets in another country, taking over their airfields and other strongholds, and airlifting troops in. For a minute, I thought something serious was happening.
U better get in line with the right wing talking points my man
No one is happier than the floundering cable news networks. And the right wing media gets to pontificate on Biden being feckless, while the left wing media is like "whew, finally another distraction we can blame on Trump".
posted by gutNo one is happier than the floundering cable news networks. And the right wing media gets to pontificate on Biden being feckless, while the left wing media is like "whew, finally another distraction we can blame on Trump".
The politically radicalized from the left and right would rather a ruthless predator like Putin succeed so that they can blame their US political enemies as opposed to good things happening in the world. Probably always been the case, but more obvious today.
Ukraine was an officially recognized sovereign nation by Russia. Its the 2nd largest nation in Europe by area with several NATO nations on the border. This can get out of hand. Ukrainian refugees will begin to populate cities, towns, and villages in bordering NATO nations. Its already happening. If Russia is able to occupy Ukraine a resistance will develop. It will develop and work in and out of these nations borders. Smuggling arms across those borders to send Russian occupiers home in body bags.
Policy and a defense treaty are two different things. We do not even officially recognize Taiwan as a independent sovereign nation. China has always asserted its part of China. The US handsomely provides arms for Taiwan but is under no official contractual obligation to defend it if attacked. This is why Boris Johnson is running around wanting to expand "NATO" type agreements in Asia.
Justin can ready the China-Taiwan thread.
Ok, I think I'm ready for nuclear war now...
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posted by sportchamppsI’m more worried China uses this to try and seize control over Taiwan and then all hell breaks lose.
A couple higher ups have told me they are expecting cyber attacks on our banking system and having a small amount of cash on hand may be smart.
in recent history, we invaded Iraq because Saudi nationals trained by Israeli special forces under the direction of a wanted terrorist being openly harbored by Pakistan flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon. So it's logical to think that the first military response to the Ukraine situation would be to fortify Taiwan.
it's also kind of shitty of us to not stand with these poor bastards after we made them give up their nukes in exchange for protection from Russia. Such is life though. Hope everyone got those applebees wings half off.
posted by j_crazyit's also kind of shitty of us to not stand with these poor bastards after we made them give up their nukes in exchange for protection from Russia. Such is life though. Hope everyone got those applebees wings half off.
And the Russians were a signatory to that agreement to assure Ukraine of its territorial integrity. Very shitty.
Ukraine would have been the 3rd largest nuclear power. It was not an option for them to keep them. It would have been a nightmare.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Ukraine would have been the 3rd largest nuclear power. It was not an option for them to keep them. It would have been a nightmare.
Perhaps, but it sounds like we had a part of that bargain that is highly doubtful that we're going to live up to.
Also what a fucking joke the UN is.
posted by queencitybuckeyePerhaps, but it sounds like we had a part of that bargain that is highly doubtful that we're going to live up to.
A lot more problems would have been created if they kept them is all I am saying. Loose nukes and scientists for hire would have been a bigger threat than it was in the mid90s.
Also, from a Russian point of view, the deal has lost merit due to the breaking of all the cooperative security deals I mentioned. Not all their views are valid of course.
posted by majorsparkAlso what a fucking joke the UN is.
Correct. Has always been when it involves any of the permanent security council members.
Ironically, Russia is the Chair of the UN Security Council (until March 1st).
posted by Gardens35Ironically, Russia is the Chair of the UN Security Council (until March 1st).
Yup and 2 of the P5 are Russia and China. The UN is worthless on large geopolitical issues
Hard to not get a little choked up seeing pictures of young Ukrainian men kissing their wives, children, girl friends as they see them off so they can go play with the Russians in their sandbox. Godspeed.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Get that. A deal's a deal is all I'm saying.A lot more problems would have been created if they kept them is all I am saying. Loose nukes and scientists for hire would have been a bigger threat than it was in the mid90s.
posted by j_crazyin recent history, we invaded Iraq because Saudi nationals trained by Israeli special forces under the direction of a wanted terrorist being openly harbored by Pakistan flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon.
I thought it was because they hated us because of our freedom.
Maybe being energy independent is better than some fake environmental rules.
At least Ukraine has those blankets Obama sent them.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around “sitation”.
