posted by SportsAndLadyLol yeah man, you're right. This is the democrats fault. You're not biased or anything.
Give me one thing they don’t like in it. They want immigration reform, which has nothing to do with this process. Not to mention Schumer had a 180 differing opinion on shutdowns in 2013. Who did they blame and how did the media cover it then? Republicans fault no matter what?
posted by iclfan2Give me one thing they don’t like in it. They want immigration reform, which has nothing to do with this process. Not to mention Schumer had a 180 differing opinion on shutdowns in 2013. Who did they blame and how did the media cover it then? Republicans fault no matter what?
So did Trump. As I recall, he was saying that it's up to the president to take the lead and make sure a shutdown doesn't happen. Now, faced with it, he's doing what you're doing: wringing his hands and whining about the Demmycrats.
"I mean problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top," Trump said of Obama during the interview with Fox News. "And the president's the leader. And he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead."
After the last 2-3 shutdowns, my opinion of this one is "So what?"
It's kind of losing it's impact as a political tool, that is until one of the parties decides to do real damage with it rather than just make a big show.
posted by gutAfter the last 2-3 shutdowns, my opinion of this one is "So what?"
It's kind of losing it's impact as a political tool, that is until one of the parties decides to do real damage with it rather than just make a big show.
I guess I feel bad for the Air Force men's basketball team (and other athletes), as they won't be playing any games until the gubment is working again. But, yeah, when I heard last night that this was likely imminent, my reaction was "So what? Not like they do anything but bitch about how the other side is the reason why they aren't doing anything."
So, if 87% of the government still works because this shut down only impacts "non-essential" government functions, why does that 13% exist? Sounds like a lot of federal adorning we can eliminate.
Both parties are loving this. Just rile up the base.
Shutting down govt for 300M+ Americans over 1M illegals. That's pretty powerful stuff.
And it's always effective to point a finger at Trump and make him look like a clown. Makes you wonder if Durbin leaking the "shithole" comment wasn't all part of the plan for pulling this stunt. Or it's possible with that comment, and maybe derailing DACA talks period, that Trump DID put this train in motion.
Ha!
Reporter just asked "Trump shutdown is trending ahead of Dem/Schumer shutdown and Repub shutdown?". The media is actually tracking twitter hashtags for purposes of determining who is "winning" the shutdown. What an absolute joke Washington and the media have become.
posted by gutHa!
Reporter just asked "Trump shutdown is trending ahead of Dem/Schumer shutdown and Repub shutdown?". The media is actually tracking twitter hashtags for purposes of determining who is "winning" the shutdown. What an absolute joke Washington and the media have become.
The true winner of the 2016 presidential election: Twitter. Went from a popular social media site to the one thing everyone winds up talking about and linking to every single day.
posted by HereticThe true winner of the 2016 presidential election: Twitter. Went from a popular social media site to the one thing everyone winds up talking about and linking to every single day.
And the media is making a killing, too.
If the liberal media really wants Trump gone, they won't give him BILLIONS in free coverage next election. But you can bet they will. He's been too good for ratings.
posted by HereticThe true winner of the 2016 presidential election: Twitter. Went from a popular social media site to the one thing everyone winds up talking about and linking to every single day.
Good point, because I recall twitter was struggling before the election.
This whole shutdown is just complete bullshit and an indication nothing, nothing, has changed since 2013 and in fact things have gotten worse. Trump's own promise that he only can make deals are empty words. The Ds and Rs are acting to their own shitty bases and completely ignoring rational poliocy and solutions. Everybody agrees on passing DACA, so pass the fucking thing.
This is just a systems failure, and while sure, most Government functions will continue, the people that are furloughed will still get paid, so we are just wasting money on lost time.
I don't blame Trump or the Ds for the shutdown, I blame the whole fucking system.
On the plus side, at least traffic will be light in the DC area tomorrow.
Trump can't use his negotiating skills with people who dont want to negotiate. Congress is a waste. The shutdown is BS. Talked with a guy at Wright patt AFB.....he was hoping for a week off with pay.
posted by ptown_trojans_1This whole shutdown is just complete bullshit and an indication nothing, nothing, has changed since 2013 and in fact things have gotten worse. Trump's own promise that he only can make deals are empty words. The Ds and Rs are acting to their own shitty bases and completely ignoring rational poliocy and solutions. Everybody agrees on passing DACA, so pass the fucking thing.
This is just a systems failure, and while sure, most Government functions will continue, the people that are furloughed will still get paid, so we are just wasting money on lost time.
I don't blame Trump or the Ds for the shutdown, I blame the whole fucking system.
On the plus side, at least traffic will be light in the DC area tomorrow.
This is why I maintain that we need to fire each and everyone in Washington....from POTUS on down through both houses.
They are not acting in our best interests...they are acting in the same petulent, spoiled child manner that they have been for years. The only way to fix the issue is to completely wipe out the entire group, send them all home, elect new blood and pass term limits.
Thankfully this shutdown will not stall the Mueller investigation.
posted by majorsparkThankfully this shutdown will not stall the Mueller investigation.
You wonder if the whole thing wasn't an elaborate set-up to get to Trump's financials - a very wealthy individual with substantial business interests, guaranteed there is some shady shit (likely not clearly illegal, but gray areas that are probably justification for impeachment).
When I say "shady", I mean questionable though not clearly illegal shelters and deductions that an army of lawyers, accountants and bankers make a living advising wealthy people on. The worst that would usually happen is a negative ruling/decision and backtaxes along with possibly a fine.
posted by supermanSo, if 87% of the government still works because this shut down only impacts "non-essential" government functions, why does that 13% exist? Sounds like a lot of federal adorning we can eliminate.
If 35% of government were eliminated, no one would even know it happened.
posted by QuakerOats
If 35% of government were eliminated, no one would even know it happened.
You mean 35% of the people, not the spending. And I think there is a lot of waste and bureacracy probably triplicated at the state and local levels.
But medicare/medicare/SS is like 60% of spending, and then military is another 20%. Defense employs over 800k CIVILIAN contractors - that is ridiculous. I really think we should come up with a plan to cut defense spending in half.
You could cut everyone of them, substantially, with not much pain. Of course, I am talking about real cuts even though some of things are technically 'hands off' ...............screw that; solve the damn spending problem.
Looks like the senate compromised to pass the CR with "commitment" to vote on DACA. In other words what they were doing before the shutdown. What a waste of time.
posted by like_thatLooks like the senate compromised to pass the CR with "commitment" to vote on DACA. In other words what they were doing before the shutdown. What a waste of time.
Yep, they "negotiated" and got nothing so opened it back up (I think it is temporary until Feb 8th, which they should have done in the first place). Or Schumer couldn't handle being blamed for the whole thing.
