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posted by SportsAndLady

Lol a) don’t get your panties in a knot, it’s a discussion on a message board. Which brings me to point b) how do you propose I not hide behind a keyboard when on a message board? And c) where did I call you or anyone a racist from that post?

Lol’d 

https://twitter.com/qasimrashid/status/1271990915985440768?s=21

didnt shoot this guy 

I must not be as smart as the almighty jmog and justin. Damnit I wish I had two brain cells! 

posted by jmog

Nice try at straw man but you failed. Taking a swing and what happened in this video are VASTLY different things. And anyone with 2 brain cells realize that. 

Lol VASTLY! 
Okay jmog

posted by SportsAndLady

You have a son. Your sons 18, goes and gets drunk at a bar and gets too drunk. Takes a swing at a cop, cop shoots him dead. I walk up to you say “your son player a stupid game, and he won a stupid prize. If he wasn’t a fuck-up, maybe he’d be alive”

Just trying to put it into perspective for you, because you’ll never agree with a side that involves a black person. 

Nice try at straw man but you failed. Taking a swing and what happened in this video are VASTLY different things. And anyone with 2 brain cells realize that. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Some of you guys are complete fucking morons. Saying this wasn’t murder is insane. The cops should absolutely be charged with murder. When are we going to get past the era of cops shooting unarmed (lethal weapons) people to their death, and people arguing that the cops were in the right? Fucks sake. 

Has to be trolling. 

posted by Laley23

I’m of the notion that if you aren’t an idiot, you’ll be fine. Don’t break the law? You don’t die.

That said, it’s naive to sit there and say these situations would play out the same way if you substitute a white person. They absolutely don’t, and that’s the problem I have. And the problem most AA are fighting for. It’s not excusing the actions or saying they shouldn’t be punished. But if I’m the guy taking a swing at a cop and taking his taser my guess is I get tackled about 15 seconds later and released the next morning. Then plead down to a misdemeanor take a drunk class and have it off my record within 5 years. 

Yeah, look at Baker Mayfield. He ran from a cop, got tackled, arrested, released, and was the #1 overall pick. 
 

posted by queencitybuckeye

Categorizing taking a weapon away from a cop as "a mistake" definitely shows a bias here, but it isn't on the part of the officer.

He took a fucking taser. He was piss drunk, and there’s video of him talking to the cops before everything went down where he was clearly drunk but it was a “nice” conversation that you can clearly see there is no threat. The cops clearly didn’t need to start being aggressive with him, and he made a dumb mistake and fought back. I don’t think you deserve to die, and until people like you agree with that, nothing will change—we’ll continue to see cops murder citizens. Maybe you’re okay with that (which is just fucking weird), but the majority of people aren’t. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Yeah, keep trying to convince yourself you don’t see race in these issues.

 

And you’re of course  missing the point with the hypothetical son. The point is someone doesn’t deserve to die if they make one mistake with a police officer (assuming they aren’t shooting at or attempting to murder the cop). If they get gunned down for making a non-lethal mistake, that’s murder by the police officer. 

Categorizing taking a weapon away from a cop as "a mistake" definitely shows a bias here, but it isn't on the part of the officer.

posted by SportsAndLady

Lol, we know you don’t care that unarmed black people are being murdered by police. We know. 
also, is OJ Simpson not a murderer because of what jurors said? Dumbass. 

Do you know how many unarmed black people were killed By police in 2019? The answer is 9. We have police who fuck up and we have police who are racist but the community has bigger problems. 

posted by SportsAndLady

You have a son. Your sons 18, goes and gets drunk at a bar and gets too drunk. Takes a swing at a cop, cop shoots him dead. I walk up to you say “your son player a stupid game, and he won a stupid prize. If he wasn’t a fuck-up, maybe he’d be alive”

I'd ask if YOU were drunk

posted by iclfan2

You pretending race was an issue here? He stole a taser and shot it at the cops. If I had a son I’d say you’re a giant fuck up. That isn’t even close to what actually happened. I’ve been drunk, talked to cops, and never thought I should beat them and try to steal their taser and then run away and shoot it at them. I would never raise a kid (27 btw) to be such a dumb fuck. 

Yeah, keep trying to convince yourself you don’t see race in these issues.

And you’re of course  missing the point with the hypothetical son. The point is someone doesn’t deserve to die if they make one mistake with a police officer (assuming they aren’t shooting at or attempting to murder the cop). If they get gunned down for making a non-lethal mistake, that’s murder by the police officer. 

posted by iclfan2

You’re right, he was just an unarmed angel who got shot by the police. Sure. Don’t be a fuck up and don’t get killed by the police. It’s pretty simple.

You have a son. Your sons 18, goes and gets drunk at a bar and gets too drunk. Takes a swing at a cop, cop shoots him dead. I walk up to you say “your son player a stupid game, and he won a stupid prize. If he wasn’t a fuck-up, maybe he’d be alive”

Just trying to put it into perspective for you, because you’ll never agree with a side that involves a black person. 

posted by iclfan2

So when they don’t get convicted of murder are you the idiot? Not gonna shed a tear that some dude got killed being a moron. It’s pretty easy to not get killed by the police. 

Lol, we know you don’t care that unarmed black people are being murdered by police. We know. 
also, is OJ Simpson not a murderer because of what jurors said? Dumbass. 

Some of you guys are complete fucking morons. Saying this wasn’t murder is insane. The cops should absolutely be charged with murder. When are we going to get past the era of cops shooting unarmed (lethal weapons) people to their death, and people arguing that the cops were in the right? Fucks sake. 

posted by queencitybuckeye

In general, it's never been a requirement that a cop must face lethal force to use lethal force (i.e. a "fair fight"). I believe  the threat of serious harm is a more reasonable standard and find the shooting justifiable.

Imagine the guy had a knife, and is running away from you or 20 feet away from you.  I think it's pretty obvious it wouldn't be justifiable to shoot the guy, nor would that be how you're trained to handle such a situation.

A guy who was just passed out drunk 20 feet away threatening you with a taser.  So you shoot him?  C'mon

posted by gut

It's almost more shocking than George Floyd.  Granted, he was intoxicated and resisting arrest, but they shot him in the back for taking their expelled tazer.

Seems to me like he's probably as grossly negligent as Chauvin.  I'm sure the cop will claim he instinctively saw the tazer as a gun, but I don't really see a justified use of lethal force here.  Should have had a visual the whole time and knew the guy hadn't pulled a gun.

Maybe you missed the whole video. He was literally beating the F out of the police, stole their taser, and while running turned to shot them with the taser. 

This country needs Jesus.

posted by iclfan2

The taser hadn’t been expelled. He stole the taser, beat the cops, ran, and then turned to shoot the taser at the cops, so not in the back. Play stupid games...

https://twitter.com/carpedonktum/status/1271975762191691776?s=21

Deadly force should be an absolute last resort. Not used on the drunk guy running away from the cops. FFS i'd rather they just let the drunk idiot run away. The guys car is there, they must have his information. Arrest the dude at his house the next day or some shit. It's sad that "play stupid games" has become the go to saying when someone fucking DIES doing something like this.

posted by gut

It's almost more shocking than George Floyd.  Granted, he was intoxicated and resisting arrest, but they shot him in the back for taking their expelled tazer.

Seems to me like he's probably as grossly negligent as Chauvin.  I'm sure the cop will claim he instinctively saw the tazer as a gun, but I don't really see a justified use of lethal force here.  Should have had a visual the whole time and knew the guy hadn't pulled a gun.

The taser hadn’t been expelled. He stole the taser, beat the cops, ran, and then turned to shoot the taser at the cops, so not in the back. Play stupid games...

https://twitter.com/carpedonktum/status/1271975762191691776?s=21