posted by gutThe CNN article didn't mention the gang thing....But this woman is 3+ years older than Kavanaugh, so 2-3 years ahead of him which begs the question what she's doing at high school parties with a bunch of known rapists?
this made me lol.
posted by O-TrapThis sounds like the sort of thing that would have happened as a minor. Honestly, I think that's at least as relevant as the time gap of 35 years.
If we were talking about a nominee who was 60-65, and the accusations were from 35 years ago, I'd have a much bigger problem with the nominee, because those wouldn't be the actions of an adolescent, but the actions of an adult.
There's a reason we don't try youths as adults in court. The reason we don't would be sufficient reason for me to think this isn't relevant to whether or not he's fit today.
Might this be grounds for acknowledging an underlying problem with how male youths are allowed or encouraged to behave? Perhaps. I had friends that got away with similar behavior in high school, and looking back, it could certainly be seen a a problematic foundation for how they saw their female counterparts at the time.
Does it necessarily have long-term implications for those boys as they grew into adults? Not necessarily. So, I don't see how anyone could, in good faith, use the actions of a person as a teenager to challenge their character as an adult. There are too many cases in which a person's character changed too drastically after adolescence for us to be able to draw anything meaningful from it.
Kids get charged as adults all the time.
posted by O-TrapThe burden of proof falls on the one making the affirmative claim. It is not up to me to prove your claim.
In good faith, I did a cursory search. Tom, Dick, and Harry all have blogs or personal, unvetted sites that say as much (they also say Obama is the antichrist from time to time).
Unfortunately, that's hardly credible.
He rarely lets facts get in the way of the trump narratives
posted by geeblockHe rarely lets facts get in the way of the trump narratives
I kindly refer you to the ‘Impressed by Trump Administration part II’ thread, wherein you will find a plethora of facts and related links concerning the economy and business activity occurring since the Trump election.
Dispute up.
posted by O-TrapThe burden of proof falls on the one making the affirmative claim. It is not up to me to prove your claim.
In good faith, I did a cursory search. Tom, Dick, and Harry all have blogs or personal, unvetted sites that say as much (they also say Obama is the antichrist from time to time).
Unfortunately, that's hardly credible.
Need not hang out on third rate websites for insight.
posted by geeblockKids get charged as adults all the time.
Typically, when this happens, it's because they are either close to adult age or they exhibit other signs of fully understanding their actions.
Or because a prosecutor has an axe to grind. Let's not pretend that doesn't happen.
Even if it does happen, though, it's the pretty drastic exception -- and as I said, that's for a reason.
posted by QuakerOats
I kindly refer you to the ‘Impressed by Trump Administration part II’ thread, wherein you will find a plethora of facts and related links concerning the economy and business activity occurring since the Trump election.
Dispute up.
I think he asked you for links about something else but I see another trump tactic.. immediately change the subject
Lol a 4th accuser! Well, her mom wrote a letter, that in ‘98 her daughter was pushed against a wall and he looked at her sexually. The daughter is still traumatized so she couldn’t write it herself... 4 witnessses too! But no names, and obviously not real, solid reporting NBC.
It’s like the left wants Republicans to show up to the mid terms. Also over 60 classmates signed a letter saying they’ve never heard of the girl and never saw anything like that. This is fucking wild.
posted by iclfan2Lol a 4th accuser! Well, her mom wrote a letter, that in ‘98 her daughter was pushed against a wall and he looked at her sexually. The daughter is still traumatized so she couldn’t write it herself... 4 witnessses too! But no names, and obviously not real, solid reporting NBC.
It’s like the left wants Republicans to show up to the mid terms. Also over 60 classmates signed a letter saying they’ve never heard of the girl and never saw anything like that. This is fucking wild.
Correction, it was the friend of the mother's daughter.
It looks like this is coming from the transcript of Kavanaugh's interview yesterday with the Judiciary committee. He was asked about EVERYTHING, including a rape accusation coming from a twitter account of a guy who apparently is unhinged over Trump. NBC decided to report this as news.
posted by iclfan2in ‘98 her daughter was pushed against a wall and he looked at her sexually. The daughter is still traumatized so she couldn’t write it herself... 4 witnessses too! But no names
Ok, with that... I have no more hesitations. I had my doubts with #1, some hesitance with #2. But with this? Nope. Mind made up!
I have to wonder what "looked at her sexually" means. A leer? A glance at her boobs? gawd!
And there goes the AP to join the media with no credability "Like the Kennedy assassination, Challenger explosion, and the twin towers, will the Kav-Ford hearing be a where-were-you moment?" GTFO.
Ha, 2 guys came out and now said they are the ones who assaulted Ford. (I don't believe them) But funny to see the dems condemn them for their "11th hour" charade.
posted by iclfan2And there goes the AP to join the media with no credability "Like the Kennedy assassination, Challenger explosion, and the twin towers, will the Kav-Ford hearing be a where-were-you moment?" GTFO.
LOL. Give me a break.
After this is all said and done, I really hope that both parties never pull this kind of crap again. Ever.
lol, what's the odds of THAT coming to fruition?
posted by CenterBHSFanAfter this is all said and done, I really hope that both parties never pull this kind of crap again. Ever.
lol, what's the odds of THAT coming to fruition?
Ehh, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I'm not advocating using fake sexual assault bc that's absurd, but next time the Dems try to get someone confirmed I hope the process takes just as long and annoys everyone. You already have people, including here, saying oh well Repubs would do the same thing, so already guilty before doing it. So blow it up.
posted by iclfan2Ha, 2 guys came out and now said they are the ones who assaulted Ford. (I don't believe them) But funny to see the dems condemn them for their "11th hour" charade.
So bizarre. Wonder if it's fake news? I can't imagine ANYONE admitting to that, statute of limitations or not. But we should summarily dismiss them, right, even though they're making an admission counter to their interests?
posted by iclfan2Ehh, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I'm not advocating using fake sexual assault bc that's absurd, but next time the Dems try to get someone confirmed I hope the process takes just as long and annoys everyone. You already have people, including here, saying oh well Repubs would do the same thing, so already guilty before doing it. So blow it up.
What if several women DO testify that Kavanaugh raped them? Then will you still be saying derp derp derp Democrats are slimy derp derp derp!
None of us know what really happened. and yes it appears that several dems are using this as political sabotage because they don’t want Kavanaugh in. But is no one going to point out that when there’s smoke there’s fire and Kavanaugh at the very least does appear to have a few skeletons?
The dems IMO have gone through stages in this. Like...
"Ok we have this accusation."
"Ok, that didn't really do much, let's put THIS really weird accusation out."
"Wellllllll, the spaghetti still isn't sticking to the wall, let's throw this really really weird accusation out."
"Fuck, now what?"
And not only are we supposed to suspend our logic and reasoning and numerous FBI investigations for prior employment, but we're also supposed to totally disregard due process. The situation has been set up so that Kavanaugh cannot and will not face his accuser/s. All of this on top of the fact that Feinstein only introduced this first accusation for political leverage.
I tried giving benefit of the doubt, but I cannot do it. I've tried sitting on the fence on this but the black and white facts of events isn't letting me continue. I really really think this is not going to end well for the dems in DC. Possibly even trickle down to the lower levels of government, which is a shame, because I think local democrats are the dems that do the most good. We just saw 2 years ago how negative reactions to dems work out.
I'm waiting on somebody to come forth and proclaim that they saw Kavanaugh worship a turnip and sacrificed a canteloupe in honor of the turnip.
posted by SportsAndLadyWhat if several women DO testify that Kavanaugh raped them? Then will you still be saying derp derp derp Democrats are slimy derp derp derp!
None of us know what really happened. and yes it appears that several dems are using this as political sabotage because they don’t want Kavanaugh in. But is no one going to point out that when there’s smoke there’s fire and Kavanaugh at the very least does appear to have a few skeletons?
Dude, 12+ witnesses have been named by these accusers and all of them at the very worst said they weren't at these parties. Some of them said they don't even know who the fuck Kavanaugh is and this is coming from some witnesses are who close friends of the accusers. The other accusations coming out of the woodwork the past 12 hours are already proven to be 100% bullshit as well. I am done playing the "what if," or " big, if true" game with these people.
Feinsten held onto Ford's accusation for 8 weeks, they release this shit right before the vote, they have done nothing to prove this is legit and they are have been pretty transparent their current goal is to delay, which will ultimately lead to their end goal of blocking this nomination. They are pretty open about it. At this point I am all in that these people are full of shit and the dems can go fuck themselves. Have the vote, and if they want to try to impeach him good luck with their currently weak ass cases. You don't delay a SCOTUS confirmation, because a bunch of butt hurt cry babies are throwing shit on a wall.
posted by SportsAndLadyWhat if several women DO testify that Kavanaugh raped them? Then will you still be saying derp derp derp Democrats are slimy derp derp derp!
None of us know what really happened. and yes it appears that several dems are using this as political sabotage because they don’t want Kavanaugh in. But is no one going to point out that when there’s smoke there’s fire and Kavanaugh at the very least does appear to have a few skeletons?
The only plausible one is the first one. And the evidence doesn't hold up, all witnesses have denied. The other 2 are complete garbage. So no, I don't see any smoke. And testifying with no evidence ever brought up does nothing to change my opinion that the democrats played this for political gain. Feinstein sat on it for 6 weeks and all they have done since then is try to delay based on garbage reasoning (Ford afraid to fly, a week is too early, etc). They should have stuck with Ford only, the ones after that has made the whole thing a circus.
I don't believe Kavanaugh on his word, skeptical of anyone, but when anyone Ford has mentioned denies it, including another female, I have no reason to believe her. The burden of evidence is on the accuser.
Currently, Feinstein is up there saying nothing about the current case but of sexual abuse in America. Has nothing to do with this alleged incident.
Watch out guys, the dems invited Alyssa Milano to the hearing. It's over, Kavanuagh is a serial rapist.
