LOCKED: Disgusted with progressives, part 2...

posted by CenterBHSFan

After this is all said and done, I really hope that both parties never pull this kind of crap again. Ever. 

lol, what's the odds of THAT coming to fruition?

What if he's not confirmed? I'm not saying he won't be and I think he will be and I agree it is a hatchet job but I mean is there not some element of blame on the GOP for blowing this? 

I mean Neil Gorsuch was a boy scout & sailed through. At the outset guys like Hugh Hewitt warned against going with Kavanaugh cuz of his trove of documents related to working as a GOP operative. 

I mean the Democrats were dishonorable in,playing politics with the information they discovered but the women came forward to them without solicitation. 

There are scores of non-frat boy douchers that would have been fine conservative choices. Kavanaugh isn't on trial, he's interviewing for a very high profile job and had baggage. 

The Mark Judge guy and his tons of pictures with teen girls on his Flickr account? Jesus Christ sure doesn't help Kavanaugh when you look at his buddy and think "yeah he rapes" 

Agreed, they should have went Barrett. She would have got roasted for some of her religious things, but obv not to this level. Wonder if the Dems would really try to delay seating someone for 2 years if Kav somehow doesn't get confirmed.

Kudos to Ford for showing up though. I don't think she made up getting assaulted, something definitely happened to her in the past, I just think she could be mis-remembering since none of what she has stated could be backed up by anyone. The rub is, do you not confirm a nominee because a woman sounds sincere, but no evidence actually points to it being true?  That is what some of the Republicans will be trying to figure out. I think there are a couple on the fence. The Dems were obviously voting no before any of this even came out.

posted by BoatShoes

What if he's not confirmed? I'm not saying he won't be and I think he will be and I agree it is a hatchet job but I mean is there not some element of blame on the GOP for blowing this? 

I mean Neil Gorsuch was a boy scout & sailed through. At the outset guys like Hugh Hewitt warned against going with Kavanaugh cuz of his trove of documents related to working as a GOP operative. 

I mean the Democrats were dishonorable in,playing politics with the information they discovered but the women came forward to them without solicitation. 

There are scores of non-frat boy douchers that would have been fine conservative choices. Kavanaugh isn't on trial, he's interviewing for a very high profile job and had baggage. 

The Mark Judge guy and his tons of pictures with teen girls on his Flickr account? Jesus Christ sure doesn't help Kavanaugh when you look at his buddy and think "yeah he rapes" 

Before Feinstein released her "bombshell" I was indifferent. After first woman came forward I was skeptical. Second accuser came out and I was smelling smoke. Third/fourth... I'm not buying any of it now.

I agree that there were plenty of other choices for the GOP. Would you have approved if they immediately dropped him like a hot potato? I know it probably would have crossed MY mind to do that, but that doesn't mean that is what I would do. But it would have crossed my mind. Do you think that the GOP is/was wrong in trying to get this woman to tell her side of the story? Would you rather that they did not?

I suppose that there might be some culpability in the GOP but right now, I can't think of what it is.

I don't give two shits or a fuck about Mark Judge. 

Again, I hope this never happens again. I don't believe it is beneficial to the accusers, the accused, the politicians or the public.

posted by BoatShoes

What if he's not confirmed? I'm not saying he won't be and I think he will be and I agree it is a hatchet job but I mean is there not some element of blame on the GOP for blowing this? 

I mean Neil Gorsuch was a boy scout & sailed through. At the outset guys like Hugh Hewitt warned against going with Kavanaugh cuz of his trove of documents related to working as a GOP operative. 

I mean the Democrats were dishonorable in,playing politics with the information they discovered but the women came forward to them without solicitation. 

There are scores of non-frat boy douchers that would have been fine conservative choices. Kavanaugh isn't on trial, he's interviewing for a very high profile job and had baggage. 

The Mark Judge guy and his tons of pictures with teen girls on his Flickr account? Jesus Christ sure doesn't help Kavanaugh when you look at his buddy and think "yeah he rapes" 

I have some frat brothers who have done some "problematic" shit based on how low the bar is in 2018.  That doesn't make me a rapist.  

posted by iclfan2

Kudos to Ford for showing up though. I don't think she made up getting assaulted, something definitely happened to her in the past, I just think she could be mis-remembering since none of what she has stated could be backed up by anyone. The rub is, do you not confirm a nominee because a woman sounds sincere, but no evidence actually points to it being true?  That is what some of the Republicans will be trying to figure out. I think there are a couple on the fence. The Dems were obviously voting no before any of this even came out.

Lol. First she was making this all up because she wouldn’t testify. Now she’s testifying but she def is misremembering who the actual accuser was and nooo way was it Kavanaugh! 

posted by like_that

Dude, 12+ witnesses have been named by these accusers and all of them at the very worst said they weren't at these parties.  Some of them said they don't even know who the fuck Kavanaugh is and this is coming from some witnesses are who close friends of the accusers.  The other accusations coming out of the woodwork the past 12 hours are already proven to be 100% bullshit as well. I am done playing the "what if," or " big, if true" game with these people.

Feinsten held onto Ford's accusation for 8 weeks, they release this shit right before the vote, they have done nothing to prove this is legit and they are have been pretty transparent their current goal is to delay, which will ultimately lead to their end goal of blocking this nomination.  They are pretty open about it.  At this point I am all in that these people are full of shit and the dems can go fuck themselves.  Have the vote, and if they want to try to impeach him good luck with their currently weak ass cases.  You don't delay a SCOTUS confirmation, because a bunch of butt hurt cry babies are throwing shit on a wall.

All I’m saying is, perfectly clean individuals don’t get repeatedly accused of rape (look at Gorsuch). 

Classes in trying to determine someone's veracity through sensory cues point out that crying with no tears is a sign of deception.

posted by SportsAndLady

Lol. First she was making this all up because she wouldn’t testify. Now she’s testifying but she def is misremembering who the actual accuser was and nooo way was it Kavanaugh! 

 

Didn't say no way. Said there is no evidence. Slippery slope to start holding people accountable for allegations with 0 evidence. She could be making it all up, but comes off well.

From a dear friend of mine who is a pastor of a church in Pennsylvania:

 

SHOULD CHRISTIANS PRAY FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH?

As I write this today, the Kavanaugh and Ford Hearings are beginning, and the nation sits riveted. It's estimated that 60% of Americans will tune in today.

So, should Christians pray for Judge Kavanaugh? I've seen many posts recently stating that we should. And I would say, of course. We should pray for everyone. So, should we also pray for Dr. Ford? Of course... but maybe we shouldn't pray for them in the way you're thinking.

While I fully agree that we should pray for both of them, what I quite frankly find preposterous is the notion from any individual that we should "really pray" for only one of them, because we have perfect insight into the situation and we know beyond the shadow of a doubt what happened in 1982, who is telling the truth, who is lying, and we can perfectly divine the intents of either Dr. Ford or Judge Kavanaugh.

Frankly, whether you like it or not, none of us know. I know whose story I, at this point, personally find more believable, but I am not so arrogant as to think that the opinion I hold is the pure, unadulterated truth.

And so today, while I pray for both of them, I pray primarily that God would give them both grace to recall events as accurately as possible and to be honest about what happened. I pray that our Senators would care more about truth, justice, and righteousness than their political party, their donors, and yes, even more than their constituents and their political futures. I pray that whoever next fills the empty seat on the Supreme Court would be a person who enables our country to better "do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with God."

Christians, I remind you that your commitment to truth should override (by FAR) your commitment to any ideology or political party.

Today, calling upon the greater ideals in our Western legal tradition, I raise my voice with those who rendered the 1772 verdict in Somerset vs Stewart that found slavery in Britain to be unsupported by common law: "Fiat justitia ruat caelum!"

"Let justice be done, though the heavens fall!"

Rev. Jeremy R. Wood
September 27, 2018

posted by SportsAndLady

All I’m saying is, perfectly clean individuals don’t get repeatedly accused of rape (look at Gorsuch). 

Well, I think that there are a few things that have gone on between now and then. Gorsuch came at a time when dems AND repubs were still kinda in shock over the Trump election, there was plenty of time between then and midterms, people are now learning to be severely skeptical of identity politics which includes #MeToo, people from both sides thought that Trump would be impeached and then removed from office by now, Russian collusion is a farce.

I think all of that mixed in together has brought about a very unhealthy but delicious cake.

posted by iclfan2

Didn't say no way. Said there is no evidence. Slippery slope to start holding people accountable for allegations with 0 evidence. She could be making it all up, but comes off well.

Right but you’re claiming he wasn’t the one, when you have no actual idea if that’s true or not. You can’t say “there’s no evidence he raped her!” And then turn around and say “there’s also no evidence that she has the wrong guy but that’s sure as hell what I’m believing!”

You are a republican and want Kavanaugh in, so you’re saying all this. If this was a progressive judge you’d be HAMMERING him for raping teenagers. 

posted by SportsAndLady

All I’m saying is, perfectly clean individuals don’t get repeatedly accused of rape (look at Gorsuch). 

Define clean, because Duke lacrosse, UVA wrongfully accused rapists, the Columbia University wrongfully accused rapists,  and many more wrongfully accused people disagree.  There are also a shit ton of people saying he is a great man and it's bullshit.  The fact of the matter is this is all he said/she said bullshit and there is 0 legitimate evidence he did any of this.  If you got accused of some bullshit and then people started to pile on with "i saw S&L act like an asshole at this OU party," my guess is you wouldn't have the same sentiment.  I get you are trying to be impartial, but as it stands now with the current evidence, this is all bullshit.  

Also, Gorusch wasn't going to lean the court to a conservative court.  No doubt they would have thrown the kitchen sink if he was going up now.   There is also no doubt they would have done the same thing if Barret was nominated.  There would have been some last minute racism accusations. 

So Kavanaugh was a mean drunk, and not atypical "dickhead jock/rich prick".   Kavanaugh kind of acknowledged that.

Even if Ford was a paid actress, this would be quite a performance.  So she's entirely believable, the only question being the reliability of her memory.  And she listed some names and knew of Kavanaugh before, including who introduced her.  That should be easy enough to verify and then I think I'd accept her version of events as entirely true.

And the reason being, she has people who attest she identified Kavanaugh, and the assault story, long before any of this.  And she initially reached out when he was merely on the short list and not the actual nominee.  So this is not some elaborate hoax.

The other stories I do think more than a few people would corroborate, officially or not.  I think if you Ford is credible, then you don't need people to formally go on the record.  Ford would, IMO, be the end of it.  But if a few people would confirm the other events off-the-record to the FBI then he's cooked.  And that all should only take a few days to a week.

posted by SportsAndLady

Right but you’re claiming he wasn’t the one, when you have no actual idea if that’s true or not. You can’t say “there’s no evidence he raped her!” And then turn around and say “there’s also no evidence that she has the wrong guy but that’s sure as hell what I’m believing!”

You are a republican and want Kavanaugh in, so you’re saying all this. If this was a progressive judge you’d be HAMMERING him for raping teenagers. 

I don't play the #metoo game (without evidence, or even where or when it happened?), so I really wouldn't, or allegationg from 35 years ago when your adult life has been squeaky clean (again, without evidence). I don't even give a shit about Kavanaugh, I just hate the Dems games and if they truly think they can go 2 years without putting someone on, then put Kav through. That's where I am at. There IS evidence she isn't correct it was him, as all people she named have said it isn't true. What other evidence can you look at? If evidence comes out saying he did it, even 35 years ago, then take him don't confirm him.

The setup of this hearing is beyond retarded. Let 1 person ask all of the question, and then have follow ups. It's more Dems trying to build up their election reputation. 

Can't wait for him to not get confirmed so this circus can happen a month from now. Not sure what the process is if it doesn't happen now. Dems think if it isn't before 10/1 it will be after midterms, not sure how accurate that is.

posted by iclfan2

...as all people she named have said it isn't true. What other evidence can you look at? If evidence comes out saying he did it, even 35 years ago, then take him don't confirm him.

To be fair, they may legit not remember or may simply not want to get involved in the circus.  If it was me, and I wasn't good friends with either, I'd probably not want me and my family thrown into the spotlight.

posted by gut

To be fair, they may legit not remember or may simply not want to get involved in the circus.  If it was me, and I wasn't good friends with either, I'd probably not want me and my family thrown into the spotlight.

This crossed my mind, too.  Who wants to be involved in this shit show if they don't have any real skin in the game?

posted by O-Trap

This crossed my mind, too.  Who wants to be involved in this shit show if they don't have any real skin in the game?

That's my rational on why would she be making this up? Why would she subject herself to this? She never wanted this to play out, which is why Feistein held on to it for so long. 

That said, unsurprisingly, people that believe her and were already against Kav are yelling now. People, like on her, that were didn't believe her are not convinced. 

I've come around that this all doesn't matter as the Rs just want to push this through and are just going through the motions today. 

Kav should get confirmed sometime soon. This all doesn't matter as in the end, the Rs just do not believe her. 

I'd like to hear Dr. Ford asked if she thought about contacting someone when Kavanaugh was up for his current job.