Covid-19 discussion, continued...

So far, almost 20% of deaths have been people in long-term care/nursing homes.  Obviously those people are especially vulnerable, but that's a pretty astounding number.  I'd say that has a huge impact on the mortality rate for elderly with comorbidities - totally rough guess but if you're elderly with comorbidities your mortality rate might only be double the average if you aren't hospitalized or in a home.

posted by gut

But I feel like masks and gloves in public might keep the spread contained, especially if you consider places like OH have ~1% active cases, and some speculation as much as 15% of the population has already had this.

Masks yes, gloves provide no benefit. Gloves spread it around as much or more than your bare hands.

https://wsiltv.com/2020/04/15/medical-expert-dont-wear-gloves-in-public/

Are cases up because tests are up? 

posted by iclfan2

Masks yes, gloves provide no benefit. Gloves spread it around as much or more than your bare hands.

https://wsiltv.com/2020/04/15/medical-expert-dont-wear-gloves-in-public/

That's interesting.  I just got some gloves, and was wondering how that would stop me from contaminating my groceries, and grocery bags, when I shop.

But I think that doctor gives bad advice about not wearing the mask in your car.  I don't think you want people taking their mask off getting in and out of their car in between errands.  Yes, idiots should know better but....idiots.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29038491/dr-anthony-fauci-promotes-single-site-fan-free-return-sports

Ohio opening back up on May 1st?

https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1250852757260718080

posted by sportchampps

Are cases up because tests are up? 

That's what I was wondering, too. If testing is more available now than it was the last couple weeks, the increased numbers over the last couple days would be less a spike when we were hoping we had plateaued and more an incident where we simply are getting numbers that are at least somewhat more in line with reality.

I don't think the number of confirmed cases is a good metric, as others have mentioned more testing = more confirmed. It looks like when NY reports, a good number is the change in hospitalized cases. I really wish this info for all states and cities were easier to find.

posted by sportchampps

Are cases up because tests are up? 

You would think/hope so. The problem is Ohio doesn’t give a lot of information on their testing. 

Governor Mike DeWine✔@GovMikeDeWine

Updated #COVID19 data just posted to http://coronavirus.ohio.gov 
8,239 Confirmed Cases
373 Confirmed Fatalities
Note: Because #Ohio can currently only test the sickest individuals and those working on the frontlines, the total number of cases is most certainly higher.

https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-would-receive-2000-a-month-under-house-democrats-plan-2020-4

This plan would give $2000 a month to everyone over the age of 16 that makes less than $130k a year. It would continue for at least 6 months, and remain in place until unemployment drops to pre-Covid levels. But, $2000 in free money per month would likely mean we never return to pre-Covid levels.

What are the odds another plan gets passed? 

posted by like_that

The people who have been saying from the beginning the virus came from a lab have to feel pretty good when two polarizing media sources report it. 

I still stand by that China didn't purposely infect their own people.  It seems dumb to infect your own people, when you could easily deploy the virus into another country.  With that being said, I would NOT be shocked if it came from a lab.  Is it really that far fetched?  For example, the same country throws Uyghurs into concentration camps and we are trying to act shocked they have a lab that creates fucked up viruses? 

The most likely theory is whether it came from a lab or wet market, China purposely did nothing to prevent the outbreak around the world.  They pulled a good ol "if I am going down, you're coming down with us."  This is why they didn't stop anyone from traveling during Chinese New Year, which is their biggest travel season.  I will never forgive China.  We will look back at this time and say Italy was the first country to signal to the rest of the world this virus was a serious issue. 

The CCP halted all ground and air travel from Hubei province (where Wuhan is located) to anywhere else in China on January 23rd .  They knew they had a deadly virus on their hands (from the Lab).  Incredibly, they did NOT halt international travel in and out of Hubei province, thereby KNOWINGLY infecting the world.  Whether the virus was intended as a bio-weapon, we don’t know. But certainly the actions noted above can be called bio-warfare. 

Imagine what you would have to pay someone to work in a grocery store.

There will probably be another "Plan" to come, but most likely not the one proposed by Ryan. It's the Dems turn, but i'd be suprised if Pelosi supports this one, she still wants his head delivered on a platter. Look for a re-write.

posted by justincredible

https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-would-receive-2000-a-month-under-house-democrats-plan-2020-4

This plan would give $2000 a month to everyone over the age of 16 that makes less than $130k a year. It would continue for at least 6 months, and remain in place until unemployment drops to pre-Covid levels. But, $2000 in free money per month would likely mean we never return to pre-Covid levels.

There’s no shot of that getting passed. They won’t even get enough D’s to pass it, let alone turn some R’s

posted by SportsAndLady

There’s no shot of that getting passed. They won’t even get enough D’s to pass it, let alone turn some R’s

You don't say?

posted by Heretic

Well, if we're being honest, I don't know that I've met a single person who reps the Confederate Flag who isn't a total dumbass, so the concept of them confusing state vs. federal is only about 120%.

I've actually met a few who are sympathetic to the states' rights element of the south and wouldn't have supported the north (though they all seemed uneasy about saying they'd support the south, too), but yeah, none of them sport the Stainless Banner.
 

posted by kizer permanente

New high cases again today  in Ohio. After it looked like we plateaued. 

I'm wondering if people got too optimistic about that plateau.
 

posted by iclfan2

Masks yes, gloves provide no benefit. Gloves spread it around as much or more than your bare hands.

https://wsiltv.com/2020/04/15/medical-expert-dont-wear-gloves-in-public/

Interesting.  Good to know.  Given how it does seem to live on surfaces, though, I'm not sure I can see how wearing a pair of gloves into a store and taking them off (properly) before touching the car door would increase the risk.  From a skim of the article, it seems like their argument against them is just that they provide a false sense of security.  That's purely psychological.
 

posted by Heretic

That's what I was wondering, too. If testing is more available now than it was the last couple weeks, the increased numbers over the last couple days would be less a spike when we were hoping we had plateaued and more an incident where we simply are getting numbers that are at least somewhat more in line with reality.

posted by majorspark

Governor Mike DeWine✔@GovMikeDeWine

Updated #COVID19 data just posted to http://coronavirus.ohio.gov 
8,239 Confirmed Cases
373 Confirmed Fatalities
Note: Because #Ohio can currently only test the sickest individuals and those working on the frontlines, the total number of cases is most certainly higher.

Sounds like it's not a matter of testing having become more freely available.
 

posted by justincredible

https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-would-receive-2000-a-month-under-house-democrats-plan-2020-4

This plan would give $2000 a month to everyone over the age of 16 that makes less than $130k a year. It would continue for at least 6 months, and remain in place until unemployment drops to pre-Covid levels. But, $2000 in free money per month would likely mean we never return to pre-Covid levels.

Nope.  If your choices are to make $2,000 a month not working and the same or less while working, what are most people going to do?
 

posted by friendfromlowry

What are the odds another plan gets passed? 

I'd say they're high, after all the uproar from the PPP money running out.

posted by justincredible

You don't say?

I do say 

LOL, all these massive traffic jams to protest lockdowns.....how many people found themselves in the middle of one of these before they realized "this was a really fucking bad idea!"   Then a few minutes later it dawns on you "everything is closed - how are people going the bathroom?!?"