Covid-19 discussion, continued...

posted by Ironman92

Said that would be in mid April though

Yeah I wonder what’s different about then versus now? 

I’m not saying that quarantines don’t work. Of course they work. But as soon as u remove them you are right back where you were. I don’t think a 6 month quarantine until we can get the vaccine is appropriate either 

posted by geeblock

I’m not saying that quarantines don’t work. Of course they work. But as soon as u remove them you are right back where you were. I don’t think a 6 month quarantine until we can get the vaccine is appropriate either 

That’s fine but neither is overwhelming a hospital system. You don’t have to shut everything down like they did last time but you have to shutdown the super spreaders. 

posted by Ironman92

Said that would be in mid April though

Last night I saw a recording of her saying 6-8000 cases a day in the fall.

posted by kizer permanente

That’s fine but neither is overwhelming a hospital system. You don’t have to shut everything down like they did last time but you have to shutdown the super spreaders. 

i mean half the dudes i see in the bar restrooms dont even wash their hands...it isnt just about what is open and whats not open, its about people taking personal responsibility to wash their hands and monitor their health.

posted by geeblock

i mean half the dudes i see in the bar restrooms dont even wash their hands...it isnt just about what is open and whats not open, its about people taking personal responsibility to wash their hands and monitor their health.

That’s fine but the overwhelming majority of spread of this is breathing water droplets. Cant do that without close confined spaces.

posted by jmog

Maybe you are reading a completely different thread than the rest of us? Because really none of that was actually said (by anyone not named QO or Spock, I tend to ignore their posts so they might have said it).

Another flagrant foul; one more and you might get put on lockdown.  

posted by kizer permanente

That’s fine but neither is overwhelming a hospital system. You don’t have to shut everything down like they did last time but you have to shutdown the super spreaders. 

The math, in Ohio at least, does not support the hospitals being 'overwhelmed', yet anyway.  2,600 hospitalizations across 200 or so hospitals = 13 per hospital.  If 13 extra people can overwhelm a hospital, then something else is wrong.

posted by QuakerOats

The math, in Ohio at least, does not support the hospitals being 'overwhelmed', yet anyway.  2,600 hospitalizations across 200 or so hospitals = 13 per hospital.  If 13 extra people can overwhelm a hospital, then something else is wrong.

Yet ....it’s November  it’s just started cold weather season. It’s already trending there though.   

posted by gut

LOL, indeed you are.  You've clowned yourself all over this thread.

The evidence is out there that masks and lockdowns are far more effective than you guys will acknowledge.  And I was right there with you early in the pandemic, but I've changed my opinion as data and research has evolved.  That's what intellectually honest people do.  People who are open-minded let the data guide them, not cherry pick as you've done all over this thread to prop-up you're repeated bad calls.  I don't know if you're actually that uninformed, or just trying way too hard to look smart by being contrarian.

And someone else was just saying we were being strung along with the vaccine.

So, no, my statement was not intellectually dishonest...but you saying it was is you doing it, again.

posted by kizer permanente

That’s fine but neither is overwhelming a hospital system. You don’t have to shut everything down like they did last time but you have to shutdown the super spreaders. 

COVID patients take up 11% of hospital beds in Ohio right now, up from 6% 2 weeks ago. Total free bed capacity hasn't changed much in those 2 weeks, it has hovered between 24 and 30% free beds even with COVID beds going up. (information right from Ohio DoH website).

So, while the COVID hospitalizations in Ohio has doubled, the total "sick" people in the hospitals has stayed the same. The hospitals in Ohio are not currently, and don't appear to be in the near future, overwhelmed. 

Ah nice, we've arrived at the point where you guys tell me my hospital isn't overwhelmed after-all. Nevermind we're up to 52 Covid beds (from 10 two months ago) or there's 50 people crammed into a 30-bed ER right now. Or last weekend there were 150 employees in the network out of work with Covid. Or every day I could take my pick of which hospital in the city (and probably state) I want to work at and go make triple pay because they're that desperate for help.

I don't want anything shut down more than anyone else does. I actually wish DeWine would just say fuck it and stop trying. But fuck off with looking at numbers on a website and thinking you know what's really going on.

The same group that wants lockdowns are the same ones who were cool with thousands of people celebrating last weekend. Fuck off. Either be consistent or gtfo. 

7101 seems awful high for something I was told would be gone on Nov. 4.

posted by jmog

COVID patients take up 11% of hospital beds in Ohio right now, up from 6% 2 weeks ago. Total free bed capacity hasn't changed much in those 2 weeks, it has hovered between 24 and 30% free beds even with COVID beds going up. (information right from Ohio DoH website).

So, while the COVID hospitalizations in Ohio has doubled, the total "sick" people in the hospitals has stayed the same. The hospitals in Ohio are not currently, and don't appear to be in the near future, overwhelmed. 

It is not the goal of for profit hospitals to try to balance between 70% to 80% bed capacity?

Wonder if UH will open all those hospitals they closed in April?

posted by Verbal Kint

It is not the goal of for profit hospitals to try to balance between 70% to 80% bed capacity?

Wonder if UH will open all those hospitals they closed in April?

You realize that amount of care and attention and equipment a covid patient takes vs your typical patient? I’ll let friendfromlowry answer that. It cost a ton of money also and they’re not getting that money back  they’re losing money on covid patients. They don’t want them  

The local hospitals here in SE Ohio are ok on rooms and equipment but running low on staff as they are worn down and becoming positive as well. Schools have no subs and teachers starting to become quarantined. I figure we’ll be off the month of December...if not sooner.

posted by friendfromlowry

Ah nice, we've arrived at the point where you guys tell me my hospital isn't overwhelmed after-all. Nevermind we're up to 52 Covid beds (from 10 two months ago) or there's 50 people crammed into a 30-bed ER right now. Or last weekend there were 150 employees in the network out of work with Covid. Or every day I could take my pick of which hospital in the city (and probably state) I want to work at and go make triple pay because they're that desperate for help.

I don't want anything shut down more than anyone else does. I actually wish DeWine would just say fuck it and stop trying. But fuck off with looking at numbers on a website and thinking you know what's really going on.

So if we can’t believe the numbers on the Ohio DOH website what should we believe?

I also don’t see where anyone told you that you don’t know what’s going on at your hospital. Maybe I missed that post?

posted by jmog

So if we can’t believe the numbers on the Ohio DOH website what should we believe?

I also don’t see where anyone told you that you don’t know what’s going on at your hospital. Maybe I missed that post?

I don't see where anyone told you that you shouldn't believe the Ohio DOH website numbers. Maybe I missed that post? 

My point is don't look at those numbers alone and consider yourself in any position to conclude hospitals aren't overwhelmed. As someone else said, these patients require more intense, time consuming care. It takes a lot resources to care for the very sick patients. 

posted by friendfromlowry

I don't see where anyone told you that you shouldn't believe the Ohio DOH website numbers. Maybe I missed that post? 

My point is don't look at those numbers alone and consider yourself in any position to conclude hospitals aren't overwhelmed. As someone else said, these patients require more intense, time consuming care. It takes a lot resources to care for the very sick patients. 

Jmog once had a very sick 2nd cousin he took care of for 2 days. Trust me, he knows exactly how much resources it takes.