9 Dead in Dayton....

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  • Sun, Aug 4, 2019 11:01 PM

    I think we are all on the same page in regards to slowing this down.  Keeping it from happening.....unrealistic.   

    Now what could have been d0ne to prevent this.....there was already laws on the books on his weapon.  Another law on the gun wouldn't stop it.  Maybe better enforcement before someone can get this weapon.

    Sun, Aug 4, 2019 11:03 PM
    posted by Spock

    Just shows that media and politicians only circle around like buzzards on a carcass when it fits the narrative.  It's sad.  That's why nothing gets done.

     

    U don’t care about Chicago either so there’s that 

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 12:55 AM
    posted by Spock

    I think we are all on the same page in regards to slowing this down.  Keeping it from happening.....unrealistic.   

    Now what could have been d0ne to prevent this.....there was already laws on the books on his weapon.  Another law on the gun wouldn't stop it.  Maybe better enforcement before someone can get this weapon.

    I don't even know about better enforcement.  If anything, this event seems to indicate that relying on police alone isn't sufficient.  Their response time was stellar, and he still racked up a horrific count of victims.

    As for why someone might include radical Islam, radical Islam (the vast minority of those who profess Islam) has indeed been linked to acts of mass murder.  Including it as one of more than one in a list of reasons someone might carry out an attempt to murder people en masse isn't unreasonable.  It's not the only, or even the chief, reason someone might, but it's hardly without precedent.  White supremacy is another.  Political indoctrination, conspiracy theory, or just being off your fucking nut could be others.

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 3:02 AM
    posted by O-Trap

    I don't even know about better enforcement.  If anything, this event seems to indicate that relying on police alone isn't sufficient.  Their response time was stellar, and he still racked up a horrific count of victims.

    As for why someone might include radical Islam, radical Islam (the vast minority of those who profess Islam) has indeed been linked to acts of mass murder.  Including it as one of more than one in a list of reasons someone might carry out an attempt to murder people en masse isn't unreasonable.  It's not the only, or even the chief, reason someone might, but it's hardly without precedent.  White supremacy is another.  Political indoctrination, conspiracy theory, or just being off your fucking nut could be others.

    I golfed 36 holes today and seriously had no info on if the guy from Dayton had Islam ties. Not sure why me asking if there was a connection was so triggering. It’s been a while since the Islam guys gave scored many points in the us at least. Certainly right now we can clearly see we do have young white males being radicalized as well, sorry if that makes some people feel some type of way  

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 3:11 AM

    Unless we address this problem with the same resources we did to shut down radical Islamic terrorists it’s going to continue to happen. Getting mad and pretending it’s not happening is stupid in my opinion. This isn’t a left or right issue to argue ab

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 6:28 AM
    posted by geeblock

    Unless we address this problem with the same resources we did to shut down radical Islamic terrorists 

    I think Laley handled this one pretty good on page one.

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 8:35 AM
    posted by Spock

    Twitter was hacked and that pic was planted.

    What? His account was suspended, so the link no longer works. What pic are you talking about?

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 9:05 AM

    These two shootings are a prime example of how polarizing our society is.  The piece of shit in El Paso was a white supremacist and this piece of shit in Dayton was a bernie/warren/socialist/antifa supporter.  Instead of mourning and trying to figure out why in the last 5+ years these people are going crazy and doing this shit, everyone wants to dig sides to blame the other side.  The bodies were still warm when Beto went on TV to blame Trump for this, gblock couldn't want to come in this site to bring up white supremacists, and no I already see idiots blaming bernie/warren for the Dayton shooter. 

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 10:08 AM
    posted by geeblock

    I golfed 36 holes today and seriously had no info on if the guy from Dayton had Islam ties. Not sure why me asking if there was a connection was so triggering. It’s been a while since the Islam guys gave scored many points in the us at least. Certainly right now we can clearly see we do have young white males being radicalized as well, sorry if that makes some people feel some type of way  

    I don't think he did.  Moreover, I'm not sure having several people respond to it is, alone, an indication that anyone was triggered.  We are on a message board, where conversation tends to be the goal, after all.

    I have no bones about saying that white males are vastly more likely to be mass shooters than any other kind of person in the US.  It's statistically accurate.  Interestingly, last I heard, the ratio of white shooters to non-white shooters even outpaces the ratio of whites to non-whites in America, and by a substantial margin.  Same with males, obviously.
     

    posted by geeblock

    Unless we address this problem with the same resources we did to shut down radical Islamic terrorists it’s going to continue to happen. Getting mad and pretending it’s not happening is stupid in my opinion. This isn’t a left or right issue to argue ab

    I think our reaction to the radicalized Islamic terrorists was overblown and unjustified.  Moreover, there is zero evidence at present that it has had any palpable effect whatsoever.

    Our treatment of Muslims of color in the years following the attacks was shameful and indicative that we were still really quick to jump to racist positions.  I'd hardly look to it as a model to emulate.
     

     

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 10:37 AM
    posted by O-Trap

    I don't think he did.  Moreover, I'm not sure having several people respond to it is, alone, an indication that anyone was triggered.  We are on a message board, where conversation tends to be the goal, after all.

    I have no bones about saying that white males are vastly more likely to be mass shooters than any other kind of person in the US.  It's statistically accurate.  Interestingly, last I heard, the ratio of white shooters to non-white shooters even outpaces the ratio of whites to non-whites in America, and by a substantial margin.  Same with males, obviously.
     

    posted by geeblock

    Unless we address this problem with the same resources we did to shut down radical Islamic terrorists it’s going to continue to happen. Getting mad and pretending it’s not happening is stupid in my opinion. This isn’t a left or right issue to argue ab

    I think our reaction to the radicalized Islamic terrorists was overblown and unjustified.  Moreover, there is zero evidence at present that it has had any palpable effect whatsoever.

    Our treatment of Muslims of color in the years following the attacks was shameful and indicative that we were still really quick to jump to racist positions.  I'd hardly look to it as a model to emulate.
     

     

    I can agree with that, I was more thinking of measures put in place at airports and such to make people more safe even if they probably miss many things that get in planes. But you’re probably correct that Muslims get more “randomly” searched more than other people and their treatment has been unilaterally harsh from all sides 

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 11:00 AM

    I've never purchased or owned a gun so I won't pretend to know how the system works, someone explain to me how the Dayton shooter acquired his guns? The only thing I really read/understood was he bought them online from somewhere in Texas, and picked them up from a store in Dayton? 

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 11:11 AM
    posted by friendfromlowry

    I've never purchased or owned a gun so I won't pretend to know how the system works, someone explain to me how the Dayton shooter acquired his guns? The only thing I really read/understood was he bought them online from somewhere in Texas, and picked them up from a store in Dayton? 

    To buy a mail order gun, you make the purchase, and specify the federal firearm license holder ("FFL") you wish to use (i.e. a local gun store). You must do the background check there when you go to pick up the gun, and pay a transaction fee.

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 11:28 AM
    posted by queencitybuckeye

    To buy a mail order gun, you make the purchase, and specify the federal firearm license holder ("FFL") you wish to use (i.e. a local gun store). You must do the background check there when you go to pick up the gun, and pay a transaction fee.

    Gotcha. Thanks. It's too bad when doing the background check, a big red flag doesn't appear showing something like "Hey he was expelled in high school for having a list of kids he'd kill and rape, he probably shouldn't have a gun." 

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 11:30 AM
    posted by geeblock

    I can agree with that, I was more thinking of measures put in place at airports and such to make people more safe even if they probably miss many things that get in planes. But you’re probably correct that Muslims get more “randomly” searched more than other people and their treatment has been unilaterally harsh from all sides 

    Yeah, there have been several instances in which the airport procedures missed things (shoe bomber, underwear bomber).  There's never been record of any TSA process catching and thwarting a potential plane bombing.  But damn it, they'll be sure a shit to protect you from a normal size tube of toothpaste.

    I'd guess it goes further than just being a Muslim and having a particular physical appearance in general, though it seems that that's been toned down finally. 

     

     

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 11:36 AM
    posted by justincredible

    What? His account was suspended, so the link no longer works. What pic are you talking about?

    It was the pic of the word Tump spelled out with guns.  BS...the kid wasnt a trump fan but the radicals Trump haters have to make it about him

    Mon, Aug 5, 2019 11:40 AM
    posted by friendfromlowry

    Gotcha. Thanks. It's too bad when doing the background check, a big red flag doesn't appear showing something like "Hey he was expelled in high school for having a list of kids he'd kill and rape, he probably shouldn't have a gun." 

    1.  Juvenile records are sealed......would not have shown up.

    2.  The magazine he was using was illegal.  More laws dont stop criminals.  They dont care about them.

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