posted by CenterBHSFanStupidity. There were actual concerning reasons to criticize Obama about, color of clothing doesn't even make my list.
Well... unless he wore chartreuse. Then I would have had a fit!
At this point, I'd take a president dressed like Captain Underpants if he or she were competent.
posted by geeblockMeh. He brings it on himself with his constant trolling and blatant lies. He can take a policy that I actually could agree with and add so much bullshit rhetoric and lies to it that I wouldn’t possibly vote for it. He brings it in himself and he loves it. U could take every single policy he has proposed and have Obama or kasic or any sane person write his speeches and Twitter and he probably would be loved by both sides but instead he comes off as a wishy washy white nationalist for no other reason than he wants to
So, as been said on this site numerous times (not even by me), Obama is basically Trump, except he handled everything with grace, charisma, and looked cool doing it? Got it.
Now that you got that rant out of your system, can you actually answer my question?
What question?
I don’t see trump as a victim no. I don’t think the media is out to get him. I believe he brings the attention and uses it to rally his base. My beliefs are based on my own observations.
Did you see his response in Florida yesterday when someone in the crowd said “shoot em” in response to illegals crossing the border? Did the media make that up? Or last week when he said doctors take babies and wrap them in blankets and then execute them? I mean cmon man. He’s the god Damn president.
posted by geeblockWhat question?
This question:
posted by like_thatI don't disagree with your point that both sides do it. My point is you're kidding yourself if you think the playing field is leveled. There is plenty of legitimate data (i.e. not op-eds serving your stance) that proves this. Do you have any data that supports your argument it is a level playing field or are you just going to provide anecdotal evidence?
But you pretty much answered my question with this:
posted by geeblockI don’t see trump as a victim no. I don’t think the media is out to get him. I believe he brings the attention and uses it to rally his base. My beliefs are based on my own observations.
Thanks for proving my point.
Yes I read your question then answered it. What evidence do you have that he is being treated unfairly? And why do you think that is? It can’t just be because he is a republican
posted by like_thatThis question:
posted by like_thatI don't disagree with your point that both sides do it. My point is you're kidding yourself if you think the playing field is leveled. There is plenty of legitimate data (i.e. not op-eds serving your stance) that proves this. Do you have any data that supports your argument it is a level playing field or are you just going to provide anecdotal evidence?
But you pretty much answered my question with this:
posted by geeblockI don’t see trump as a victim no. I don’t think the media is out to get him. I believe he brings the attention and uses it to rally his base. My beliefs are based on my own observations.
Thanks for proving my point.
Did you post some empirical data or research that wasn’t based on your personal opinion/observations and I missed it?
posted by geeblockDid you see his response in Florida yesterday when someone in the crowd said “shoot em” in response to illegals crossing the border? Did the media make that up? Or last week when he said doctors take babies and wrap them in blankets and then execute them? I mean cmon man. He’s the god Damn president.
This is true, and it's why Fox straight news coverage was like 52% negative on Trump when they were only 38% negative on Obama.
But when the rest of the media is 92% negative - on AVERAGE - it goes much deeper than just Trump being a troll. At this point, that Trump is a troll isn't really even newsworthy any more. It's who he's always been, and one of the reasons his base doesn't care about the latest outrageous thing he's said.
That same media was like 15-18% negative on Obama, on average. To say that Fox and the liberal media are equally partisan is blatantly and obviously wrong. And Fox has it's share of never-Trumpers (and Libertarians). The fact is, CNN/MSNBC/etc are far more propaganda machines for the Dems than Fox is for Repubs.
posted by gutThis is true, and it's why Fox straight news coverage was like 52% negative on Trump when they were only 38% negative on Obama.
But when the rest of the media is 92% negative - on AVERAGE - it goes much deeper than just Trump being a troll. At this point, that Trump is a troll isn't really even newsworthy any more. It's who he's always been, and one of the reasons his base doesn't care about the latest outrageous thing he's said.
That same media was like 15-18% negative on Obama, on average. To say that Fox and the liberal media are equally partisan is blatantly and obviously wrong. And Fox has it's share of never-Trumpers (and Libertarians). The fact is, CNN/MSNBC/etc are far more propaganda machines for the Dems than Fox is for Repubs.
So what do you attribute this to? One is a pub an one is a dem? One is black one is white? The way they treat the media? Personality?
posted by geeblockDid you post some empirical data or research that wasn’t based on your personal opinion/observations and I missed it?
I have before on this thread and other threads in the politics. But here are some for you:
Pew research: https://www.journalism.org/2017/10/02/covering-president-trump-in-a-polarized-media-environment/
Harvard: https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/
% of Jouranlists who identify as republican (the link to the study is in the story if you want to really dig into it): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/?utm_term=.b845d17aac73
Pew research showing dem/liberals going further to the left: https://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/
And then if you want to sprinkle in the anecdotal observations you like to use, Obama got away from any legitimate negative coverage outside of Fox for: fast and furious, IRS targeting, VA scandal, Hacking/NSA, Bowe Bergdahl, using the DOJ as a weapon against journalists, paying iran millions in secret cash, lying to the public about keeping their healthcare plan, potential spying issues on then president-elect trump, etc.
Have you heard of those? If not, I don't blame you since he merely got a wrist slap for any of it. I don't disagree that Trump brings some shit to himself, but it is definitely laughable to bring up fox news and pretend their ridiculous coverage makes it an eye for eye with every other main stream media source.
posted by like_thatI have before on this thread and other threads in the politics. But here are some for you:
Pew research: https://www.journalism.org/2017/10/02/covering-president-trump-in-a-polarized-media-environment/
Harvard: https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/
% of Jouranlists who identify as republican (the link to the study is in the story if you want to really dig into it): https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/?utm_term=.b845d17aac73
Pew research showing dem/liberals going further to the left: https://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/
And then if you want to sprinkle in the anecdotal observations you like to use, Obama got away from any legitimate negative coverage outside of Fox for: fast and furious, IRS targeting, VA scandal, Hacking/NSA, Bowe Bergdahl, using the DOJ as a weapon against journalists, paying iran millions in secret cash, lying to the public about keeping their healthcare plan, potential spying issues on then president-elect trump, etc.
Have you heard of those? If not, I don't blame you since he merely got a wrist slap for any of it. I don't disagree that Trump brings some shit to himself, but it is definitely laughable to bring up fox news and pretend their ridiculous coverage makes it an eye for eye with every other main stream media source.
So are you saying the things they are saying aren’t true or that they just cover it too much. Maybe we are talking about different things. What do you think the reason that this is happening if I can agree with you that it is happening? That people didn’t care about those Obama things and news is after ratings and trump brings ratings?
posted by geeblockMeh. He brings it on himself with his constant trolling and blatant lies. He can take a policy that I actually could agree with and add so much bullshit rhetoric and lies to it that I wouldn’t possibly vote for it. He brings it in himself and he loves it. U could take every single policy he has proposed and have Obama or kasic or any sane person write his speeches and Twitter and he probably would be loved by both sides but instead he comes off as a wishy washy white nationalist for no other reason than he wants to
I can totally relate to this. He's such a child...
Not really outraged, but definitely perturbed by this.
Man arrested in Florida during traffic stop. Has sexual-themed phrase on rear-window sticker on truck, ticketed by cop, and arrested when he refuses to remove it. Charged with obscenity violation and resisting arrest non-violently. Other than possibly being a jerk for choosing to display something he knows people will find offensive, I don't see the resisting-arrest part, much less the need for an arrest.
Charges were dropped soon after by prosecutors, so sanity ultimately reigned. Here's the dashcam video, nice clean audio and picture:
posted by geeblockSo what do you attribute this to? One is a pub an one is a dem? One is black one is white? The way they treat the media? Personality?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say or ask here. Are you implying the liberal media was in the tank for Obama, and Fox took it easier on him, because he was black? What does Rush call that - "the soft bigotry of lowered expectations"?
posted by ZunardoNot really outraged, but definitely perturbed by this.
Man arrested in Florida during traffic stop. Has sexual-themed phrase on rear-window sticker on truck, ticketed by cop, and arrested when he refuses to remove it. Charged with obscenity violation and resisting arrest non-violently. Other than possibly being a jerk for choosing to display something he knows people will find offensive, I don't see the resisting-arrest part, much less the need for an arrest.
Charges were dropped soon after by prosecutors, so sanity ultimately reigned. Here's the dashcam video, nice clean audio and picture:
They’re too busy chasing Robert Kraft for a rub and tug.
Ohio, Georgia and Alabama.
posted by gutI'm not sure what you're trying to say or ask here. Are you implying the liberal media was in the tank for Obama, and Fox took it easier on him, because he was black? What does Rush call that - "the soft bigotry of lowered expectations"?
I was asking the question that if it is in fact true that the media has treated trump unfairly when compared to obama, what is the reason?
posted by geeblockI was asking the question that if it is in fact true that the media has treated trump unfairly when compared to obama, what is the reason?
The reason doesn't even really matter. The mere fact that they are is enough cause for concern.
Really and truly fuck Alabama.
