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  • Wed, May 15, 2019 12:29 PM
    posted by Fab4Runner

    Really and truly fuck Alabama. 

    But what if they get pregnant?

    Wed, May 15, 2019 1:09 PM
    posted by justincredible

    But what if they get pregnant?

    Pull out.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 3:35 PM
    posted by Fab4Runner

    Really and truly fuck Alabama. 

    I just read there are 475,000 kids in foster care in Ala

    Wed, May 15, 2019 3:40 PM
    posted by geeblock

    I just read there are 475,000 kids in foster care in Ala

    LOL - how large would the number have to be before you develop even a modicum of healthy skepticism that what you read was bullshit?

    Wed, May 15, 2019 3:41 PM
    posted by geeblock

    I just read there are 475,000 kids in foster care in Ala

    The good news is plenty of cousins to take them in.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 3:47 PM
    posted by geeblock

    I just read there are 475,000 kids in foster care in Ala

    That's 10% of the population of Alabama. No.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 4:09 PM
    posted by geeblock

    I just read there are 475,000 kids in foster care in Ala

    In 2017, there were 690,000 children who spent at least some time in the foster care system.  443,000 of them are in the foster system on a given day.

    But that's nationwide.  All 50 states and DC.

    Frankly, I think the foster care system, as well as studies on children in abusive homes, is one of the biggest cases in support of full and total decriminalization of marijuana nationwide.

    Fuller prisons and a robust foster care system are not indicators of a thriving nation, and studies show that they do not lead to a productive generational turnover.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 5:10 PM
    posted by geeblock

    I just read there are 475,000 kids in foster care in Ala

    Link?

    Wed, May 15, 2019 5:43 PM
    posted by like_that

    China would be proud.  Black Mirror did an episode about this not too long ago.

    I just wonder how long it will take for somebody in the US to write a bill proposing this. For "our own good" haha!

    *Edit*

    A friend of mine just posed this question:

    oh cool, does this mean women in Burkha's all have to uncover themselves or have to pay a fine every time they pass by? Most expensive religion ever then

     

    Wed, May 15, 2019 7:16 PM
    posted by like_that

    Link?

    A person wrote it on Twitter it wasn’t an article. They are usually pretty accurate so maybe I misread it. Looking back it was  4700. They also said Alabama leads the nation in death penalties (per capita) but I didn’t post that or fact check it. The point unwanted children don’t get adopted like in a fairy tale that is being portrayed by some. Also an 11 year old girl just got raped in Ohio and got pregnant which I can’t remember if it was in here was called a strawman argument. 

    Wed, May 15, 2019 9:37 PM
    posted by geeblock

    A person wrote it on Twitter it wasn’t an article. They are usually pretty accurate so maybe I misread it. Looking back it was  4700. They also said Alabama leads the nation in death penalties (per capita) but I didn’t post that or fact check it. The point unwanted children don’t get adopted like in a fairy tale that is being portrayed by some. Also an 11 year old girl just got raped in Ohio and got pregnant which I can’t remember if it was in here was called a strawman argument. 

    Link to this person's tweet?

    Wed, May 15, 2019 9:44 PM
    posted by CenterBHSFan

    "Let's model ourselves after Europe" they said
    "It'll be fun" they said

    https://twitter.com/RagnarWeilandt/status/1128666814941204481

    Curious where you land on law enforcement's use of facial recognition technology, i.e. the NYPD, vs. San Francisco's recent ban on the use of such technology.

    Not as extreme as what the UK is doing in that tweet but I've always been very uneasy with law enforcement's use of facial recognition here in the US, NYC being a prime example. I don't think they use that technology for reasonable law enforcement purposes all the time and its use here is pushing us towards an oppressive surveillance state like the UK. 

    Folks asking for us not to be like Europe should I guess be cheering Sam Francisco's decision, which isn't always the case for those folks.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 10:36 PM

    I'm personally all over the place with this because it brings to mind many scenarios and ways to think about it.

    °If you're looking for a criminal let the cops and detectives do their jobs. 
    °I think to scan everybody walking down streets is absurd and definitely an infringement of liberty and rights (and potentially religious rights).
    °° It's ridiculous that people can be fined for covering part/all of their face like what's happening in the UK, simply for minding their own business.
    °There's probably an argument to be made that we are basically succumbing to it already with electronic recording and whatnot. It's as easy as pointing to what Facebook has been doing. It's not the same exact thing, but we don't even think about the fact that FB uses your account to sell to ad companies. IIRC, people on here have deleted their FB accounts with this issue as one of, if not the main, the reasons.
    ° No doubt there will be people who won't mind it because it makes them feel safer that this is helping the criminal justice system.

    Those are just some of the angles that I've been thinking about. I'm most likely not as up on what is going on in NYC and SF as you are so I can't really give you a precise answer.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 10:41 PM

    Fair! Appreciate the response. Think this is just the beginning of facial recognition debate, etc. both here and abroad.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 10:59 PM
    posted by cbus4life

    Fair! Appreciate the response. Think this is just the beginning of facial recognition debate, etc. both here and abroad.

    I have no idea.  Every technology has potential for abuse, even sometimes unintentionally.

    You're in a public place, so if it helps prevent terrorists and catch criminals what's the real concern?  I think my issue is the false equivalency that a police state would use facial rec, therefore use of facial rec leads to a police state.

    I think the more important questions are is it accurate enough to justify the cost?  Will it solve enough crimes to justify the cost?  And the big one is just an extension of the Snowden stuff - if the NSA is logging digital records of all communications, where do you draw the line ex-post going backwards on something you wouldn't have unless you had a warrant 2 years ago?

     

    Here's a simple question that I think is fairly relevant: Would you allow your child to be fingerprinted?  Do the potential benefits outweigh the potential risk that he'll be wrongly convicted of a crime because of having his fingerprints in the system?  I can imagine those arguments have been around for as long as we've been fingerprinting kids, and I'm not aware of anyone being wrongly convicted because of it.

    Wed, May 15, 2019 11:08 PM
    posted by CenterBHSFan

    °° It's ridiculous that people can be fined for covering part/all of their face like what's happening in the UK, simply for minding their own business. give you a precise answer.

    There are many privacy rights to consider, but I don't think facial rec in a public place in and of itself is a violation.  You are already recorded many places out in public (and private businesses), and that video is almost always turned over to cops or subpoenaed.....where it then might be subjected to facial rec software.

    It seems like people get hung-up with a digital vs. analog world.  It has long been established that anything that can be seen in a public place is usually not protected by privacy laws.  If a cop sees a gun on your person, or your backseat, he can ask for a permit and potentially search you.  The only thing that's really changed is cameras are now a witness.

    Of course, all this will be thrown on its head as fakes/photoshops get better and better.  But I don't see it being infallible proof, but rather simply enough for probably cause.

     

    Thu, May 16, 2019 1:39 PM

    What's great about the US is that if you dont like what is going on somewhere......just dont move there

    Thu, May 16, 2019 1:52 PM
    posted by cbus4life

    Curious where you land on law enforcement's use of facial recognition technology, i.e. the NYPD, vs. San Francisco's recent ban on the use of such technology.

    Not as extreme as what the UK is doing in that tweet but I've always been very uneasy with law enforcement's use of facial recognition here in the US, NYC being a prime example. I don't think they use that technology for reasonable law enforcement purposes all the time and its use here is pushing us towards an oppressive surveillance state like the UK. 

    Folks asking for us not to be like Europe should I guess be cheering Sam Francisco's decision, which isn't always the case for those folks.

    I don't mind video recording.  That's public observation.

    I do, however, mind recording actual biometric data.  That's the sort of thing that isn't just observed by you being in public.

     

     

    posted by Spock

    What's great about the US is that if you dont like what is going on somewhere......just dont move there

    I'll remind you of this when single-payer eventually comes to the US.

     

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