Progressives, part 3...

Abandoning support for due process to own the cons.

If the accused weighs the same as a duck...

"Nobody wants to take your guns!"

https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1063440882412765184

Agreed. Nobody wants to take your guns. Especially politicians from California!

https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063527635114852352

And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities.

 That was spawned out of a conversation about gun control lol

I'm sure since the first firearm was put into circulation in the US, someone wanted them eliminated.  There also have always been people who think we're being poisoned by chemtrails.  I think it's a leap to go from either to "they're coming for our guns" or "they're trying to chemically control us."

Who said "they're coming for our guns?"

posted by CenterBHSFan

Agreed. Nobody wants to take your guns. Especially politicians from California!

https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063527635114852352

 That was spawned out of a conversation about gun control lol

The gun grabbers make no sense. If shit really hit the fan, the military isn’t magically going to side with them. 

posted by iclfan2

The gun grabbers make no sense. If shit really hit the fan, the military isn’t magically going to side with them. 

Overwhelmingly the opposite, one would think.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Agreed. Nobody wants to take your guns. Especially politicians from California!

https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063527635114852352

 That was spawned out of a conversation about gun control lol

That response that "the government has nukes" was always a dumb response.

There you go.  Use the nukes.  Enjoy governing your sea of glass and no people.  You can't use the nukes to control the people.  Only to eradicate the people.

If you want to control the people, you need boots on the ground.  Compliant armed personnel on the street corners, willing to kick in doors and enforce compliance.

There are just over 2.1 million military personnel.  There are roughly 81.4 million civilians with firearms.  Even if we assume that every single member of the military were skilled in combat (which they're not), and even if we assume that every single member would remain loyal to government over citizenry (which they wouldn't), it still wouldn't be slam dunk odds, with each member of the military essentially being responsible for about 160 people, 40 of whom would be armed.

None of this even mentions the fact that those who turn around to fight for the citizenry would likely bring firepower to which they previously had access, leveling the arms playing field as well.

The fact that government has bombs, jets, and nukes doesn't actually mean dick with respect to controlling the people.  Only if they intended to annihilate the people and govern barren land.

posted by O-Trap

That response that "the government has nukes" was always a dumb response.

There you go.  Use the nukes.  Enjoy governing your sea of glass and no people.  You can't use the nukes to control the people.  Only to eradicate the people.

If you want to control the people, you need boots on the ground.  Compliant armed personnel on the street corners, willing to kick in doors and enforce compliance.

There are just over 2.1 million military personnel.  There are roughly 81.4 million civilians with firearms.  Even if we assume that every single member of the military were skilled in combat (which they're not), and even if we assume that every single member would remain loyal to government over citizenry (which they wouldn't), it still wouldn't be slam dunk odds, with each member of the military essentially being responsible for about 160 people, 40 of whom would be armed.

None of this even mentions the fact that those who turn around to fight for the citizenry would likely bring firepower to which they previously had access, leveling the arms playing field as well.

The fact that government has bombs, jets, and nukes doesn't actually mean dick with respect to controlling the people.  Only if they intended to annihilate the people and govern barren land.

Boatshoes legitimately used the nuke argument on this site one time.  I also have had a lot of people use this argument on me. If you have to nuke your country  to tyrannize your people then the 2A works. End of story. Also,  you can’t just nuke pro gun people LOL.

I also love the “your guns can’t stop the military” argument. I recommend reading up on the Vietnam war and the Middle East the last 17 years if you actually believe that.

All AR-15 owners are mass murderers or scarily paranoid. So says this completely reasonable person.

https://twitter.com/ninaburleigh/status/1063817196961452038

posted by ptown_trojans_1

We said the same about Trump. He said much worse and is President, so anything is possible. 

Still, woah boy, that is bad. 

Trump said something worse than labeling a law enforcement agency like the KKK?

Come on..

posted by QuakerOats

 

An oath to uphold the constitution; a duty to defend the nation. 

 

The enemy is within, attempting every day to tear down this great nation.

 

The conspiracy-obsessed right wingers are truly frightening. This is the kind of shit Timothy McVeigh used to spout.

posted by justincredible

All AR-15 owners are mass murderers or scarily paranoid. So says this completely reasonable person.

https://twitter.com/ninaburleigh/status/1063817196961452038

Shit, I wish someone had told me I was going to be a murderer.

If you sell it, are you no longer a murderer? 

posted by jmog

Trump said something worse than labeling a law enforcement agency like the KKK?

 

Come on..

"If Ivanka weren't my daughter ..." 

"Some of them are very fine people."

Those are both pretty bad. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The conspiracy-obsessed right wingers are truly frightening. This is the kind of shit Timothy McVeigh used to spout.

Easy.  It's a far cry from being a wackadoo and acting on being a wackadoo. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The conspiracy-obsessed right wingers are truly frightening. This is the kind of shit Timothy McVeigh used to spout.

Do you drink water?  Do you know who else drank water?  Hitler!

posted by O-Trap

 

 

posted by jmog

Trump said something worse than labeling a law enforcement agency like the KKK?

 

Come on..

 

"If Ivanka weren't my daughter ..." 

"Some of them are very fine people."

Those are both pretty bad. 

 

Was talking about something regarding the government plus the 2nd one was after he was already POTUS. awe we’re talking about Harris’ statement disqualifying her as a POTUS candidate. 

Trump says some dumb shit for a president (not so much for the rest of us) but for anyone to throw out anything about the KKK or being a Nazi is just stupid.  

posted by O-Trap

Shit, I wish someone had told me I was going to be a murderer.

If you sell it, are you no longer a murderer? 

Technically not, I guess. But you'd be selling it to a mass murderer, so, accomplice to murder?

posted by justincredible

All AR-15 owners are mass murderers or scarily paranoid. So says this completely reasonable person.

https://twitter.com/ninaburleigh/status/1063817196961452038

So I'm looking at picking up an AR 10 this week.  Does that make me 2/3s of a serial killer?  

Lol cnn panel. CNN's Kirsten Powers on women who voted for Trump: "They'll say, 'Well, I'm not racist. I just voted for him because I didn't like Hillary Clinton.' And I just want to say that's not -- that doesn't make you not racist. It actually makes you racist."

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1064231333604409344?s=12