Progressives, part 3...

posted by gut

You should tweet that to Trump - he'd probably use it!

OMGosh, no, don't do this!

posted by gut

You should tweet that to Trump - he'd probably use it!

No way in hell I'd do that.

Because it's too probable that you're right.

Was it ever proven that Elizabeth Warren used this to get into school or obtain a job? Because, if not, then this is a nothingburger. It doesn't matter if you like her politics or not (I certainly don't). If Trump tries to use this against her, he'll have the Kavanaugh/Ford event thrown back at him, meaning no evidence. Which is important!

posted by CenterBHSFan

Was it ever proven that Elizabeth Warren used this to get into school or obtain a job? Because, if not, then this is a nothingburger. It doesn't matter if you like her politics or not (I certainly don't). If Trump tries to use this against her, he'll have the Kavanaugh/Ford event thrown back at him, meaning no evidence. Which is important!

I don't know if this is true or not, but I did see the video clip of her being interviewed, talking about how her parents had to elope because her mother was part Cherokee and his parents didn't approve of the marriage. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but she's clearly full of crap.

posted by QuakerOats

Already happened, and continues.  Sorry you missed it.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-wages-have-been-flat-to-lower-since-the-trump-tax-cuts-2018-8

Everything I read shows wages relatively flat.  

posted by justincredible

I don't know if this is true or not, but I did see the video clip of her being interviewed, talking about how her parents had to elope because her mother was part Cherokee and his parents didn't approve of the marriage. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but she's clearly full of crap.

Well she also identified herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools directory, as well as let Harvard and a law review tout her as Harvard's first professor of color. It is a nothingburger other than she is full of crap and if it were anyone on the right there would be hysterical cries of cultural appropriation and white privilege. 

She attempted to use the false information to climb the law professor ladder.  It would be cultural MIS-appropriation at best, fraud on the other end.

So are we going to refer to her as Pocohontas on THE OC, or Little Bat Shit?

posted by QuakerOats

 

So are we going to refer to her as Pocohontas on THE OC, or Little Bat Shit?

 

As a senator, she's a non-entity. As a candidate for another office, she's a pack horse. Why refer to her at all?

posted by geeblock

https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-wages-have-been-flat-to-lower-since-the-trump-tax-cuts-2018-8

 

Everything I read shows wages relatively flat.  

Duly noted.  I have seen data indicating some of the better numbers are in the March-Sept period.

posted by queencitybuckeye

As a senator, she's a non-entity. As a candidate for another office, she's a pack horse. Why refer to her at all?

Sarcasm

Twitterverse still going on about Elizabeth Warren haha! Now they're droning on that she shouldn't have put herself into Trump's Trap. I don't know if he set a trap for her, necessarily. He's crass to everyone and calls dems and republican opponents names. I think I agree that she shouldn't have gone through the bother of getting herself tested. She didn't have to prove anything to Trump. In fact, I'd wager that if she did nothing at all she would have had the upper hand simply because he would have just kept spouting off whatever it is he spouts off on any given day and she would have looked like the sane one. 

Not sure if it helps the party or just her in the way that she thought it would. Oh well, what's done is done, I guess.

I don't know how it'd help anyone for her to definitively prove that her heritage amounts to essentially a drop in the bucket. Another case of Ds shooting themselves in the foot because they're simply not good at the confrontational stuff that Trumps lives by. To me at least, her "See, I'm 1/1000th Indian!!!!" proof just makes her look like a poseur. Basically the same as if I used my heritage to say that I'm actually either a Scot or German because my family originally was from there...except I probably have more Scottish and/or German blood than she does Indian.

It should be such a simple formula. Take the shit he says daily, either verbally or on Twitter, and blow it up/spin it to have the desired effect so that everyone who isn't a QQ-level partisan or CC-level Trumpkin at least has a moment of "We gotta vote blue to marginalize his power as much as powerful until we can get his ass out in two years!" Instead, they trip over themselves to look like bumbling goofs who seem to be dipshits on the same level, but without his decisiveness.

She clearly used the whole "indian heritage" thing to get ahead in life.  Dems need to come up with another candidate

posted by Heretic

I don't know how it'd help anyone for her to definitively prove that her heritage amounts to essentially a drop in the bucket.

If the left would allow for even the smallest amount of perspective, they would learn from these kinds of things that they themselves are as responsible for Trump as the Trump people. Not running anyone better than this or Hillary is how you get Trump.

posted by queencitybuckeye

If the left would allow for even the smallest amount of perspective, they would learn from these kinds of things that they themselves are as responsible for Trump as the Trump people. Not running anyone better than this or Hillary is how you get Trump.

I agree with you that running Hillary played a part in getting Trump where he is.  However, the left is not "responsible" for electing Trump.  The people that voted for him are responsible.  Some may have voted for him because they saw him as the lesser of two evils.  That's fair.  But the vast majority voted for him for other reasons.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I agree with you that running Hillary played a part in getting Trump where he is.  However, the left is not "responsible" for electing Trump.  The people that voted for him are responsible.  Some may have voted for him because they saw him as the lesser of two evils.  That's fair.  But the vast majority voted for him for other reasons.  

The poor candidate on the other side was equally responsible for the outcome as was the winner. The numbers show this (millions voted for Obama and Trump and get lumped in with others as "Alt-Right racists").

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I agree with you that running Hillary played a part in getting Trump where he is.  However, the left is not "responsible" for electing Trump.  The people that voted for him are responsible.  Some may have voted for him because they saw him as the lesser of two evils.  That's fair.  But the vast majority voted for him for other reasons.  

Other reasons: Constantly being told that you're a racist, white supremacist, deplorable, etc. Hell, they call black and brown people white supremacists these days if they don't goose step along with whatever the fad of the day is.  You can only bully and belittle people so long until they get tired of it and go the other direction. Or black your eye. The left absolutely is responsible for at least some of the blame. They had 3 Aces and 2 Kings and still threw down 3 cards to get redealt. Basically, they fucked up.

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1051626960537808898

Make no mistake: A lawsuit against Harvard that's purported to represent the interests of Asian-Americans would, if successful, primarily benefit white students. #DefendDiversity

This is what it looks like when you go so far into discrimination and segregation that the ACLU actually supports denying students because of their ethnicity. There's a word for that.

Regarding the "racists elected Trump" thing, Bill Burr made a pretty apt point starting at 1:42: