2020 Presidential Election thread

Blaming anybody except China is exactly what China wants.  Well done to everyone who is falling for it. 

Btw, everyone was full of shit about the virus in the states.  Trump, dems, republicans, Cuomo, NYC health minister, the media (both sides), and if you want to extend it beyond the states throw in the WHO.   There are way too many receipts out there to legitimately point any fingers at anyone, other than China. 

The best lesson we can gain from this is to never rely on or trust the Government or our trash media.  Unfortunately, I see everyone doing the opposite.  

And another hopeful outcome is we start pulling our industry back from China. 

posted by like_that

Blaming anybody except China is exactly what China wants.  Well done to everyone who is falling for it. 

Btw, everyone was full of shit about the virus in the states.  Trump, dems, republicans, Cuomo, NYC health minister, the media (both sides), and if you want to extend it beyond the states throw in the WHO.   There are way too many receipts out there to legitimately point any fingers at anyone, other than China. 

The best lesson we can gain from this is to never rely on or trust the Government or our trash media.  Unfortunately, I see everyone doing the opposite.  

Totally agree on enough blame to go around. Regardless of attempts to revise history, leaders underestimated this and weren't ready. Our entire populace disregarded it. Watching our leaders point fingers is frustrating because it is a total waste of time. Just do shit, quit complaining and quit trying to play the hero. 

posted by Rotinaj

Not saying they should be banned but lets be real, Fox news was fucking terrible about this.

 

And you could find left wing media doing the same thing:  How about Pelosi telling people to go out in public (because Trump put on travel bans)

How about the Mayor of New York telling people to go about your regular day, "this disease is like a common cold"  

Hundreds of sound bites of Left wing wackos using whatever is the opposite of Trump.  These videos are damning

Any of you guys buying into these Cuomo/Biden swap rumors?

posted by like_that

Any of you guys buying into these Cuomo/Biden swap rumors?

nope.

Nah.

It's going to be Biden.

posted by O-Trap

Nah.

It's going to be Biden.

And he has no chance. Dems haven’t put much out in these last 2 elections. Really not looking forward to listening to trump for 4 more years. 

posted by Rotinaj

And he has no chance. Dems haven’t put much out in these last 2 elections. Really not looking forward to listening to trump for 4 more years. 

I wouldn't say that. If you look at polling at like Real Clear Politics in the battleground states, it is neck and neck in PA, MI, WI, and even AZ. He is running at or better in spots than Clinton did in 2016, especially in areas that went to Trump in 2016.  I think it is a good bet to at least say Biden will do better than Clinton did in 2016, even if Trump does win reelection. 

Biden also does not have as high negative ratings as did Clinton in 2016. Whereas Trump, still has high negative ratings. Trump's approval rating is also barely near 50%, and for a sitting President, that is not good, especially in a downturned economy. 

Now. all that said...it is still April and given the crisis we are in, everything could change. 

This covid situation changes the whole dynamic. If we get back to normal life in a way most people can live with and we limit the problems on the medical system, Trump could come out of this very well and will likely win. If the quarantine goes on too long, or if the medical system gets overwhelmed, Biden's got a politician's perfect platform. 

Really sad that these are our two choices. Really sad. 

posted by Rotinaj

And he has no chance. Dems haven’t put much out in these last 2 elections. Really not looking forward to listening to trump for 4 more years. 

Eh, I wouldn't say Clinton was bad.  She did, after all, win the popular vote.  That's a pretty strong showing, even though she lost.

I think this year is a LOT weaker.  Despite Ptown's response, I think Biden is going to look much worse in the head-to-head debates with Trump.

I remember a while back Trump questioning whether he would even participate in the debates. He's probably looking forward to sharing the stage with Biden. He'll eat his lunch.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I wouldn't say that. If you look at polling at like Real Clear Politics in the battleground states, it is neck and neck in PA, MI, WI, and even AZ. He is running at or better in spots than Clinton did in 2016, especially in areas that went to Trump in 2016.  I think it is a good bet to at least say Biden will do better than Clinton did in 2016, even if Trump does win reelection. 

Biden also does not have as high negative ratings as did Clinton in 2016. Whereas Trump, still has high negative ratings. Trump's approval rating is also barely near 50%, and for a sitting President, that is not good, especially in a downturned economy. 

Now. all that said...it is still April and given the crisis we are in, everything could change. 

LOL at anyone who looks at polls to make a decision.  They were off a million miles in 2016.    Also a "downturn" economy isnt good when its policy driven.  This is not the case.  

posted by O-Trap

Eh, I wouldn't say Clinton was bad.  She did, after all, win the popular vote.  That's a pretty strong showing, even though she lost.

I think this year is a LOT weaker.  Despite Ptown's response, I think Biden is going to look much worse in the head-to-head debates with Trump.

 

While she did win the popular vote, she got crushed in those swing states of PA, WI, OH, and MI, which is really what I was referred to. In those states, Biden is doing better polling wise than she did. That all can change, but Trump is not getting any rally around the flag bump yet. His polling and favorable rating is still in the same ballpark as before all this craziness.  

I do see your point on any debate between Trump and Biden, Biden is more likely to look bad and stumble more than Trump. 

My overall point is I think people just like Biden more than Clinton. They also relate to him more than they did Clinton in those swing states. That may make the difference in November. 

posted by justincredible

I remember a while back Trump questioning whether he would even participate in the debates. He's probably looking forward to sharing the stage with Biden. He'll eat his lunch.

Unless Biden is pulling the ultimate hustle on Trump.  If so, he deserves to win. 

It's actually legitimately uncomfortable watching Biden trying to speak right now.   You know how when we are all drunj and we think we sound fine, but in reality nobody knows wtf we are saying?  That's Biden right now. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

While she did win the popular vote, she got crushed in those swing states of PA, WI, OH, and MI, which is really what I was referred to. In those states, Biden is doing better polling wise than she did. That all can change, but Trump is not getting any rally around the flag bump yet. His polling and favorable rating is still in the same ballpark as before all this craziness.  

I do see your point on any debate between Trump and Biden, Biden is more likely to look bad and stumble more than Trump. 

My overall point is I think people just like Biden more than Clinton. They also relate to him more than they did Clinton in those swing states. That may make the difference in November. 

I wouldn't say she got crushed.  I mean, she got swept in those states of course (and FL as well), but Trump's wins in PA, WI, MI, and FL were all by 1.2% or less, so it's not like she got trounced in those states.

Granted, his wins in Iowa and Ohio were convincing, so that's fair.

You may be right about Biden, but combining his occasional inanity with the growing sentiment (oddly seeming to be from Louies) that he shows some predatory behavior is part of why I think he'll end up fairing worse.

Up to this point, he hasn't really had to go out and own the primary.  It's seemed like he mostly just needed to shut up and keep from saying or doing anything to torpedo his chances against a self-professed Democratic Socialist and a career politician with a personality so many people seem to hate who lied about her minority heritage for a little extra help in college (for better or worse, that still seems to be top-of-mind for many).

In the general election, though, the spotlight is going to be on him and only him on the DNC side, and I think it's going to hurt his chances.  I think there's going to be a fair bit of buyer's remorse on him as the nominee.  In fact, I think there's some already, but I'm betting that will grow.

posted by like_that

Unless Biden is pulling the ultimate hustle on Trump.  If so, he deserves to win. 

If so, 

posted by like_that

Unless Biden is pulling the ultimate hustle on Trump.  If so, he deserves to win. 

posted by like_that

It's actually legitimately uncomfortable watching Biden trying to speak right now.   You know how when we are all drunj and we think we sound fine, but in reality nobody knows wtf we are saying?  That's Biden right now. 

Pretty much.  It's not all the time, though.  He'll seemingly have mostly moments of semi-clarity, and then, without any real warning, it'll seem like he's having a stroke in the middle of talking.

posted by O-Trap

 

posted by like_that

It's actually legitimately uncomfortable watching Biden trying to speak right now.   You know how when we are all drunj and we think we sound fine, but in reality nobody knows wtf we are saying?  That's Biden right now. 

Pretty much.  It's not all the time, though.  He'll seemingly have mostly moments of semi-clarity, and then, without any real warning, it'll seem like he's having a stroke in the middle of talking.

posted by justincredible

I remember a while back Trump questioning whether he would even participate in the debates. He's probably looking forward to sharing the stage with Biden. He'll eat his lunch.

In theory, assuming he can remember how to do more than make up a stupid nickname, followed by a combination of incessant bragging about stuff that may or may not be true AND whining about how unfairly he's been treated. He SHOULD be able to do more than that, but after that being the majority of his speeches for 3+ years, who knows if that's his new ceiling or if he's still capable of raising his game.