posted by Al Bundy

The reality is that most people want to use the school as a babysitting service instead of being good parents.

posted by Al Bundy

The reality is that most people want to use the school as a babysitting service instead of being good parents.

This is the most untrue generalization I've seen on here in awhile. 

The comparison for schools shouldn't be prisons and nursing homes. It should be other schools in countries that have either resumed classes or never stopped them. Infection rates from those show that with proper practices, schools can absolutely operate safely. 

The reality is that most parents want their kids learning, socializing and getting the structure they desperately need. 

posted by iclfan2
This is the first I’ve heard that wanting to go to work to support your family is being a bad parent.

I never said that going to work is bad. I said that not taking care of your kid is being a bad parent. Reading is hard. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

This is the most untrue generalization I've seen on here in awhile. 

The comparison for schools shouldn't be prisons and nursing homes. It should be other schools in countries that have either resumed classes or never stopped them. Infection rates from those show that with proper practices, schools can absolutely operate safely. 

The reality is that most parents want their kids learning, socializing and getting the structure they desperately need. 

There isn't really a country to compare us to. The virus is getting worse here. Anyone who believes in science knows that the teachers are much safer teaching remotely.

Of course teachers want things back to normal, but it is impossible to do that safely under the current conditions. 

posted by Al Bundy

There isn't really a country to compare us to. The virus is getting worse here. Anyone who believes in science knows that the teachers are much safer teaching remotely.

Of course teachers want things back to normal, but it is impossible to do that safely under the current conditions. 

Funny how HS sports have been going on now since May 26th.  How many coaches, trainers and athletes have you heard of in the news that have gotten it?

Where are the news stories of whole sports teams spreading it around?

posted by Spock

Funny how HS sports have been going on now since May 26th.  How many coaches, trainers and athletes have you heard of in the news that have gotten it?

Where are the news stories of whole sports teams spreading it around?

Plenty of them https://www.wftv.com/news/local/33-central-florida-high-school-football-players-5-coaches-quarantined-after-2-players-test-positive-covid-19/ROCVRXKJ2BCUROJOI4IEVOBYVE/

My wife is the Superintendent’s secretary and at board meeting last night he introduced the entire going back to school plan. Did a really fine job too I might say.

Wife was just home for lunch and said 3 parents called this morning about the online option but then followed with....can they still play sports? (football/soccer) Can’t day I follow what their thoughts are on all of this.

posted by Al Bundy

That finding was retracked. Teachers have a much greater risk.

posted by geeblock

Plenty of them https://www.wftv.com/news/local/33-central-florida-high-school-football-players-5-coaches-quarantined-after-2-players-test-positive-covid-19/ROCVRXKJ2BCUROJOI4IEVOBYVE/

Well that's not good if a Ohio team will be playing a Florida team.  How about we keep this in state.

But no school? 🤔

posted by iclfan2

But no school? 🤔

WTF?????  Just send them to school.

posted by Spock

Well that's not good if a Ohio team will be playing a Florida team.  How about we keep this in state.

How many would you like me to post? .. a quick google search has several pages of Ohio cases 

I have a legitimate question for those against opening up schools.  In order for schools to reopen, what needs to happen/what do you need to see in order for you to be fine with schools reopeing? 

posted by like_that

I have a legitimate question for those against opening up schools.  In order for schools to reopen, what needs to happen/what do you need to see in order for you to be fine with schools reopeing? 

 

I’m not against reopening necessarily but Fab does have a good point in what’s the policy for someone testing positive? Because it’s not a if but a when. Is that teacher automatically out for 14 days? What about anyone they came into contact with? Will the testing be sufficient and quick enough? 

I feel like these questions are hard to answer in a way that’s safe but also practical. I mentioned on the other thread about restaurants closing down for two weeks when employees test positive. So what happens if another employee tests positive immediately after they reopen. Do they close down again for another two weeks? 

posted by Al Bundy

There isn't really a country to compare us to. The virus is getting worse here. Anyone who believes in science knows that the teachers are much safer teaching remotely.

Of course teachers want things back to normal, but it is impossible to do that safely under the current conditions. 

With a 99.99% survival rate, I am not sure what the issue is.  The teachers have a greater risk of getting into a serious car accident on the way to school.

posted by Spock

WTF?????  Just send them to school.

No, you can only get sick at school and church, not in a child care facility.

LOL

posted by friendfromlowry

I’m not against reopening necessarily but Fab does have a good point in what’s the policy for someone testing positive? Because it’s not a if but a when. Is that teacher automatically out for 14 days? What about anyone they came into contact with? Will the testing be sufficient and quick enough? 

I feel like these questions are hard to answer in a way that’s safe but also practical. I mentioned on the other thread about restaurants closing down for two weeks when employees test positive. So what happens if another employee tests positive immediately after they reopen. Do they close down again for another two weeks? 

Exactly. I'm not against schools opening. I'm for having a comprehensive plan in place. I've yet to see that from most districts.

posted by friendfromlowry

I’m not against reopening necessarily but Fab does have a good point in what’s the policy for someone testing positive? Because it’s not a if but a when. Is that teacher automatically out for 14 days? What about anyone they came into contact with? Will the testing be sufficient and quick enough? 

I feel like these questions are hard to answer in a way that’s safe but also practical. I mentioned on the other thread about restaurants closing down for two weeks when employees test positive. So what happens if another employee tests positive immediately after they reopen. Do they close down again for another two weeks? 

From what I have seen, once a teacher or student becomes positive, the local health boards will do all the contact tracing and anyone in contact will be quarentined.  Right now that is 14 days.

The problem schools are gonna have is if they get to many teachers out, there wasnt enough subs as it was.   Now who would want to be a sub?  

Schools shut down from lack of supervision.

Yeah , there needs to be a plan for teachers to protect them if they test positive. But, also what happens to a school is one kid or a teacher tests positive? How much is shutdown and for how long? Are teachers tested daily or weekly?  But, I'm all for kids heading back as it is a key metric for things to open back up. But, it depends on how hot the area is and how many cases are in any area. 

The South Koran study over the weekend showing that the virus may spread easily from kids 10-19 is interesting and concerning. 

Also, while yes the survival rate is 99% overall, teachers are probably in a demographic that the rate is a little lower for survival as they may be older and have prexisiting health conditions. 

^^^^^Districts arent testing anyone from what I have seen.  

posted by Spock

From what I have seen, once a teacher or student becomes positive, the local health boards will do all the contact tracing and anyone in contact will be quarentined.  Right now that is 14 days.

The problem schools are gonna have is if they get to many teachers out, there wasnt enough subs as it was.   Now who would want to be a sub?  

Schools shut down from lack of supervision.

Right. And while this is the safest route, is it really sustainable? It's a school, everyone comes into contact with everyone at some point. 

The other thing is I don't think we fully understand the timeline. Suppose the English teacher tests positive on a Thursday morning. Well she was at a family function the previous weekend and was exposed then it turns out. So, everyone she came into contact with over the previous three schooldays needs to be tested? 

My XC team is the only team left practicing at my school. Our jr high volleyball coach and his wife were planning to travel to Maine but were told a negative Covid test was required to travel there....both tested positive for Covid, neither has a symptom but they’ve been in contact with virtually every other team so they are shut down for 2 weeks.....waiting to hear same for XC.

And 45 min later I got the email to shut it down until further notice 

damn