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Poll: The DH Poll

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justincredible Honorable Admin
37,969 posts 250 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 9:32 AM

This thread was inspired by a few posts in the Indians/Cardinals thread, but I had read an article recently on the future of baseball, and the topic was fresh on my mind already.

What are your thoughts on the DH? I've been pretty heavily in favor of the NL adopting the DH for years now, as I think they are at a disadvantage as a league vs the AL in the ability to hang on to aging sluggers that have no business putting on a glove.

BR1986FB Senior Member
27,923 posts 126 reps Joined Feb 2010
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 9:34 AM

NL should adopt the DH. We will also see a subsequent small spike in NL pitcher's ERA's.
vball10set paying it forward
26,788 posts 121 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 9:36 AM

I voted adopt the DH in the NL
queencitybuckeye Senior Member
8,068 posts 121 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 9:50 AM

I voted to eliminate with the knowledge that it's the all but impossible option.

 
Iliketurtles Senior Member
8,507 posts 37 reps Joined Aug 2010
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 9:55 AM

I think it should be eliminated but like QCB I don't think that will ever happen. 
BRF Senior Member
11,621 posts 111 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 9:59 AM

Long time advocate of eliminate. 

(Also believe it will never happen, though)
justincredible Honorable Admin
37,969 posts 250 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 10:04 AM

Eliminating it is good in theory, but the players union would never go for it. As such, adopting in the NL makes the most sense going forward, IMO.
ptown_trojans_1 Moderator
8,788 posts 20 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 10:10 AM

I love the DH and hate when a pitcher bats. It is a wasted at bat more often than not. 

There was a Ringer piece last week backing up pitching BAs have dropped. 

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/6/7/17437016/national-league-pitcher-hitting-dh

Also, as more and more pitchers become specialized and with more bullpen duties, it can just delay the game more and more with double switches and changes. 
Ironman92 Administrator
56,729 posts 168 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 10:19 AM

I like the game and the strategy. I voted to keep as is. I do see something being changed in the next 5-10 years.
ptown_trojans_1 Moderator
8,788 posts 20 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 10:22 AM
posted by Ironman92

I like the game and the strategy. I voted to keep as is. I do see something being changed in the next 5-10 years.

My wife has this view and we get into arguments all the time at baseball games. She is more old school and loves the pitcher hitting. When we head to a Nats game and a pitcher gets a hit or a good bunt down to advance the runner she yells, "seeee....."

I just still see the pitcher as a wasted at bat, especially if a man is on base with two outs. 
like_that 1st Team All-PWN
29,228 posts 321 reps Joined Apr 2010
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 10:26 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

I love the DH and hate when a pitcher bats. It is a wasted at bat more often than not. 

There was a Ringer piece last week backing up pitching BAs have dropped. 

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/6/7/17437016/national-league-pitcher-hitting-dh

Also, as more and more pitchers become specialized and with more bullpen duties, it can just delay the game more and more with double switches and changes. 

This, I hate watching interleague play with the Tribe and I hate when people try to say the NL game is better, because of "strategy."  Also, as you mentioned it makes the game last much longer.  You can pretty much pencil in an easy out every 9 at bats.  Very complex strategy!
justincredible Honorable Admin
37,969 posts 250 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 10:27 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

My wife has this view and we get into arguments all the time at baseball games. She is more old school and loves the pitcher hitting. When we head to a Nats game and a pitcher gets a hit or a good bunt down to advance the runner she yells, "seeee....."

I just still see the pitcher as a wasted at bat, especially if a man is on base with two outs. 

See.....

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/06/see-reds-pitcher-anthony-desclafani-hit-historic-grand-slam-vs-cubs
vball10set paying it forward
26,788 posts 121 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 11:06 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

My wife has this view and we get into arguments all the time at baseball games. She is more old school and loves the pitcher hitting. When we head to a Nats game and a pitcher gets a hit or a good bunt down to advance the runner she yells, "seeee....."

I just still see the pitcher as a wasted at bat, especially if a man is on base with two outs. 

sounds similar to the discussion I have with my son-in-law periodically...he being a Pirates (and NL) fan, and truly a purist, when it comes to baseball
QuakerOats Senior Member
11,701 posts 66 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 11:24 AM

Eliminate
Ironman92 Administrator
56,729 posts 168 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 11:31 AM

Just an article with points on both side. Not a great article but anyways.

https://jugssports.com/is-it-time-to-get-rid-of-the-designated-hitter%E2%80%A6or-expand-it-to-the-national-league

 

There is definitely more strategie and decisions to be made in the NL. I love baseball and am happy to watch both ways.
Commander of Awesome Senior Pwner
24,621 posts 244 reps Joined May 2010
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 11:47 AM

I voted to eliminate, but it's mainly bc I hate seeing fat slobs like David Ortiz trout out there like an athlete. I do agree with like_that's point about an easy out every 9 at bats, but I don't get why pitchers can't just be better at hitting. End of the day AL & NL should be the same.
BRF Senior Member
11,621 posts 111 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 11:51 AM

I'm surprised that there is much more support for elimination than I thought. 
vball10set paying it forward
26,788 posts 121 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 11:55 AM
posted by BRF

I'm surprised that there is much more support for elimination than I thought. 

damn liberals ;}
justincredible Honorable Admin
37,969 posts 250 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 11:57 AM
posted by Commander of Awesome

I voted to eliminate, but it's mainly bc I hate seeing fat slobs like David Ortiz trout out there like an athlete. I do agree with like_that's point about an easy out every 9 at bats, but I don't get why pitchers can't just be better at hitting. End of the day AL & NL should be the same.

Ortiz may be fat, but he could hit.

His final season (age 40) he lead the league in 2B, RBI, SLG, OPS, and IBB. Not bad for a fat slob.
cat_lover Senior Member
3,629 posts 44 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 12:06 PM

Voted for NL to adopt DH. I love the game of baseball and can see arguments for both sides of this debate.Adopting the DH seems to be the most viable and reasonable solution.
ernest_t_bass 12th Son of the Lama
26,698 posts 204 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jun 26, 2018 12:16 PM
posted by justincredible

Ortiz may be fat, but he could hit.

His final season (age 40) he lead the league in 2B, RBI, SLG, OPS, and IBB. Not bad for a fat slob.

PWN3D

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