posted by thavoiceNFL pregame, postgame, and the days in between games are going to be unwatchable this fall.
Looks like it is turning it on at kickoff, and turning it off at the final whistle.
I think they should just do the Anthem while the players are in the lockerroom.
Just wondering if they plan on shutting off concessions and making people put their phones down during it?
posted by thavoiceNFL pregame, postgame, and the days in between games are going to be unwatchable this fall.
Looks like it is turning it on at kickoff, and turning it off at the final whistle.
I think they should just do the Anthem while the players are in the lockerroom.
Welp, I guess the message the last two weeks have not sunk in then. Fine, I guess. But, you know, you can do what I do on Sundays...not watch any of the pregame shit as it sucks anyways and just turn it to NFL Redzone. In Scott Hanson I trust.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Welp, I guess the message the last two weeks have not sunk in then. Fine, I guess. But, you know, you can do what I do on Sundays...not watch any of the pregame shit as it sucks anyways and just turn it to NFL Redzone. In Scott Hanson I trust.
Huh?
I, like millions of Americans, watch sports (and movies, music) for the event and not for some political/activist statement. I want to hear and see what pertains to the game/product on the field and not a stance any player is making on political events.
When I go to a concert, I dont want the singer to bloviate about a cause or political event, even if it is what I believe in.
Sports should be an escape from the every day monotony of life.
If a player wants to use his platform outside the lines, then so be it and I am all for that.
Once you get onto, and into, the playing fields just go and play. Employers have every right to censor what their employees say and do, especially while "on the clock".
posted by thavoiceHuh?
I, like millions of Americans, watch sports (and movies, music) for the event and not for some political/activist statement. I want to hear and see what pertains to the game/product on the field and not a stance any player is making on political events.
When I go to a concert, I dont want the singer to bloviate about a cause or political event, even if it is what I believe in.
Sports should be an escape from the every day monotony of life.
If a player wants to use his platform outside the lines, then so be it and I am all for that.
Once you get onto, and into, the playing fields just go and play. Employers have every right to censor what their employees say and do, especially while "on the clock".
And there are millions more who WANT these athletes to speak up about injustices. Just because you don’t care (because you’re a scumbag racist POS), doesn’t mean others don’t.
If you don’t like it, dont watch it you dumb fuck.
posted by thavoiceHuh?
I, like millions of Americans, watch sports (and movies, music) for the event and not for some political/activist statement. I want to hear and see what pertains to the game/product on the field and not a stance any player is making on political events.
When I go to a concert, I dont want the singer to bloviate about a cause or political event, even if it is what I believe in.
Sports should be an escape from the every day monotony of life.
If a player wants to use his platform outside the lines, then so be it and I am all for that.
Once you get onto, and into, the playing fields just go and play. Employers have every right to censor what their employees say and do, especially while "on the clock".
Hey man, that is your view and I said that is fine I guess. I mean they are not doing any protesting on the field or during games, so I'm not sure what you are really complaining about. All of these statements are before games and are not impacting the play on the field, so you can continue your escape from reality. Like I said, you can just watch Red Zone for pure games. You are really complaining about things not related to the field of play.
I do think that concept of sports/ entertainment as not having anything to do with protests or commentary on the social ills of the day is misguided. History is filled with sports bleeding over into politics. Jesse Owens, Joe Louis, Ali, Kareem, the 1980 US Men's Hockey Team, and baseball post 9/11 are all examples of sports addressing or commenting on the social issues of the day. Trying to separate the two is fine for you, you can continue to do that, but to suggest that the two should remain separate is a misrepresentation of history.
posted by ptown_trojans_1Hey man, that is your view and I said that is fine I guess. I mean they are not doing any protesting on the field or during games, so I'm not sure what you are really complaining about. All of these statements are before games and are not impacting the play on the field, so you can continue your escape from reality. Like I said, you can just watch Red Zone for pure games. You are really complaining about things not related to the field of play.
I do think that concept of sports/ entertainment as not having anything to do with protests or commentary on the social ills of the day is misguided. History is filled with sports bleeding over into politics. Jesse Owens, Joe Louis, 1980 US Mens Hockey Team, and baseball post 9/11 are all examples of sports addressing or commenting on the social issues of the day. Trying to separate the two is fine for you, you can continue to do that, but to suggest that the two should remain separate is a misrepresentation of history.
Yup. Sports is littered with examples of players taking political stances. It’s fine if you don’t care for it, but saying “sports is for athletes to play sports and that’s it!” Is just a dumb redneck thing to say.
I don’t really care for it, personally, but that’s because I’m not really effected by injustices that I want someone to speak up about. But I 100% understand that others may want them to say something. And who cares if they do? If you’re seriously effected by that, well you’re a moron.
posted by SportsAndLadyYup. Sports is littered with examples of players taking political stances. It’s fine if you don’t care for it, but saying “sports is for athletes to play sports and that’s it!” Is just a dumb redneck thing to say.
I don’t really care for it, personally, but that’s because I’m not really effected by injustices that I want someone to speak up about. But I 100% understand that others may want them to say something. And who cares if they do? If you’re seriously effected by that, well you’re a moron.
Why do you have to call people who disagree with you on here "racist", "POS, and "moron"? Why can't you just say your peace and leave it there. That kind of hostility online is causing the whole cancel culture.
posted by SportsAndLadyYup. Sports is littered with examples of players taking political stances. It’s fine if you don’t care for it, but saying “sports is for athletes to play sports and that’s it!” Is just a dumb redneck thing to say.
I don’t really care for it, personally, but that’s because I’m not really effected by injustices that I want someone to speak up about. But I 100% understand that others may want them to say something. And who cares if they do? If you’re seriously effected by that, well you’re a moron.
Social issues and politics have definitely been in sports a lot longer than the past few years. The difference is now everything is so polarizing and everyone wants to turn EVERYTHING into a social or political issue. Everything we do, we have to be pitted against each other on two "teams." It's almost impossible to get away from it unless you want to to be a recluse. Whether you agree with it or not, sports is the one thing where people view as an escape from today's reality. It's also something that brings people together. Look at when the Cavs when the title. I had friends there and read stories about how it didn't matter if you were white/black/asian/man/woman that night in Cleveland. Everyone was hugging each other. You're not going to see that shit at an opera (side rant: this is why I hate on bandwagon/fair weather fans, because they will never truly understand that feeling).
I also don't really care for it personally, but it's not enough for me to stop watching sports. At least live sports. For example, it's much easier to stop watching the bullshit ESPN produces outside of live sports. ESPN has been hurting because of it. As far as the kneeling goes, I think both sides miss the irony in it. One side brings up the disrespect of the men/women who protect our nation, without realizing they have fought for our rights to protest even against the flag. The other side wants to portray the US as the worst country in the world, without realizing the irony that protesting the flag and anthem would get them killed or put in jail in many countries.
The only time this stuff irks me is when the narrative becomes bullshit. I.e. Kaep who lost out to Blaine Gabbert was not and is not capable of starting for a legitimate playoff caliber team in the NFL. You can argue he could maybe have started on a shitty ass team (i.e. 0-16 Browns) or backup a good team, but you would be making that argument without actually thinking if signing him makes any sense for those teams. The 0-16 Browns needed to draft as high as possible, so why would they sign Kaep to maybe win 3 games? A playoff caliber team is not going to want the media circus with Kaep as a backup. It's no different than Tebow being a backup. Another example is when the NBA goes full woke to lecture the rest of the US, but then shows their true colors with China, because China brings in a lot of $$$$$ for them.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieWhy do you have to call people who disagree with you on here "racist", "POS, and "moron"? Why can't you just say your peace and leave it there. That kind of hostility online is causing the whole cancel culture.
Thavoice is actually a racist scumbag POS though. That’s why I said it.
posted by thavoiceHuh?
I, like millions of Americans, watch sports (and movies, music) for the event and not for some political/activist statement. I want to hear and see what pertains to the game/product on the field and not a stance any player is making on political events.
When I go to a concert, I dont want the singer to bloviate about a cause or political event, even if it is what I believe in.
Sports should be an escape from the every day monotony of life.
If a player wants to use his platform outside the lines, then so be it and I am all for that.
Once you get onto, and into, the playing fields just go and play. Employers have every right to censor what their employees say and do, especially while "on the clock".
Let's see....
1. As stated before, high-profile athletes in high-profile situations have used sports as a form of peaceful protest for ages. And leagues regularly use their product as a means of promoting various causes from anti-cancer to patriotism. It isn't something new, it isn't something that started with NFL players and anti-police excessive force sentiments..
2. The concept of "OMG!?! I'm gonna have to just watch from kickoff to game end because of this!!!!" is just so hilariously whiny. Acting like it's a hassle to use a mute button or switch channels because a TV station is running something in the moment that you don't want to see. FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS LOL!!!!
3. And the "I, like millions of Americans..." bit is just funny. Seems like right now, millions of Americans are in support of that message. And I'd be willing to bet that another "millions" grouping is at least neutral/tolerant/accepting of it in that "doesn't personally effect me, but it does suck that entire groups of people are in fear of it" sort of way.
Not personally digging it is a person's business. Acting like it's a problem or absolutely detracts from the sports watching experience -- that probably says more about you than anything else.
posted by like_thatSocial issues and politics have definitely been in sports a lot longer than the past few years. The difference is now everything is so polarizing and everyone wants to turn EVERYTHING into a social or political issue. Everything we do, we have to be pitted against each other on two "teams." It's almost impossible to get away from it unless you want to to be a recluse. Whether you agree with it or not, sports is the one thing where people view as an escape from today's reality. It's also something that brings people together. Look at when the Cavs when the title. I had friends there and read stories about how it didn't matter if you were white/black/asian/man/woman that night in Cleveland. Everyone was hugging each other. You're not going to see that shit at an opera (side rant: this is why I hate on bandwagon/fair weather fans, because they will never truly understand that feeling).
I also don't really care for it personally, but it's not enough for me to stop watching sports. At least live sports. For example, it's much easier to stop watching the bullshit ESPN produces outside of live sports. ESPN has been hurting because of it. As far as the kneeling goes, I think both sides miss the irony in it. One side brings up the disrespect of the men/women who protect our nation, without realizing they have fought for our rights to protest even against the flag. The other side wants to portray the US as the worst country in the world, without realizing the irony that protesting the flag and anthem would get them killed or put in jail in many countries.
The only time this stuff irks me is when the narrative becomes bullshit. I.e. Kaep who lost out to Blaine Gabbert was not and is not capable of starting for a legitimate playoff caliber team in the NFL. You can argue he could maybe have started on a shitty ass team (i.e. 0-16 Browns) or backup a good team, but you would be making that argument without actually thinking if signing him makes any sense for those teams. The 0-16 Browns needed to draft as high as possible, so why would they sign Kaep to maybe win 3 games? A playoff caliber team is not going to want the media circus with Kaep as a backup. It's no different than Tebow being a backup. Another example is when the NBA goes full woke to lecture the rest of the US, but then shows their true colors with China, because China brings in a lot of $$$$$ for them.
There are hypocrisies involved, of course. I’m not saying it’s perfect. The China/NBA thing is just laugh out loud funny in the “they have no clue how hypocritical they are” kinda way.
And yes, the Kaep situation wasn’t exactly what he makes it out to be. But his kneeling in protest of injustices against black people inspires a LOT of black people around the country/world—it just has no effect on most non-black people. But instead of just letting it happen and not saying anything about it, a lot of non-black people will speak AGAINST his non violent protest and thus causes the divide. BOTH sides cause the divide that we have as a country, IMO.
Do they even show the national anthem on TV anymore? Seems like they run commercials up until the very last possible moment then bring the game back right before kickoff.
The Kaepernick thing is stupid. Idk why people act like it’s a racist conspiracy to keep him out of the league. He worked out publicly last year - and many teams attended - and still passed on him. Plus I think he’d want more money than you want to pay your backup QB.
posted by friendfromlowryDo they even show the national anthem on TV anymore? Seems like they run commercials up until the very last possible moment then bring the game back right before kickoff.
The Kaepernick thing is stupid. Idk why people act like it’s a racist conspiracy to keep him out of the league. He worked out publicly last year - and many teams attended - and still passed on him. Plus I think he’d want more money than you want to pay your backup QB.
The guys that own NFL teams are first and foremost capitalists. A dude can be a convicted wife-beating felon and they'll give him a shot if they think he can win games. They subscribe to the "act now, apologize later" philosophy. If they thought Kaepernick could win them games, they'd give him a contract right now. The fact that they haven't tells you exactly how they evaluate his ability.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieWhy do you have to call people who disagree with you on here "racist", "POS, and "moron"? Why can't you just say your peace and leave it there. That kind of hostility online is causing the whole cancel culture.
That is his M.O.
Dont agree, attack attack attack.
He always reaffirms why most on here consider him a POS.
posted by friendfromlowryDo they even show the national anthem on TV anymore? Seems like they run commercials up until the very last possible moment then bring the game back right before kickoff.
The Kaepernick thing is stupid. Idk why people act like it’s a racist conspiracy to keep him out of the league. He worked out publicly last year - and many teams attended - and still passed on him. Plus I think he’d want more money than you want to pay your backup QB.
Typically just the big national event kinds of games, but not your typical 1 p.m. regional coverage on CBS/FOX ones. At least on the average; if there was a planned mass player kneel-down for a week, I'd guess they'd show it. If it continued every week, they probably wouldn't show it every time, at least not live.
As for Kaep, Like That did a good job summing it up, with the comparison to Tebow being particularly apt. I think he's a guy who'd have success (and has had success) in the right system with good talent around him. And I think it can easily be said that he was blackballed due to being all activist, all the time. But, like Tebow, he was at a point where his publicity and celebrity came more from his beliefs than his on-field skill and if you're going to be a marginal starter or a back-up, NFL teams generally want a guy who's all about fitting a role on the team; not someone who'll be getting tons of interviews and attention as an individual for stuff that isn't team-related. Anyone can make a great case that a Kaep or Tebow would be a better quarterback to have on a roster than some total trash player like Mike Glennon or Nathan Peterman, but with those two, you'll have anonymous back-ups who won't attract any attention unless your team is unlucky enough to have to use them for an extended period of time. With a Kaep/Tebow, you'll have them getting tons of attention and you'll have a large segment of people trying to anoint them as the "should be" starter anytime they do something good or the actual starter has a bad day due to that non-football popularity.
posted by friendfromlowryDo they even show the national anthem on TV anymore? Seems like they run commercials up until the very last possible moment then bring the game back right before kickoff.
The Kaepernick thing is stupid. Idk why people act like it’s a racist conspiracy to keep him out of the league. He worked out publicly last year - and many teams attended - and still passed on him. Plus I think he’d want more money than you want to pay your backup QB.
Especially after seeing what starting QBs like Dalton and Winston signed for, and likely what Newton will sign.
He was a complete PUNK for changing the workout location at the last minute and many teams basically said fuck off and didnt go see it.
Then the video of his workout he really did not loot that good with his mechanics.
I was one that was ALL OVER saying he was getting blackballed. Search here I believe and Yappi, I was all over that he was getting screwed over , and if Nathan Pederson, or Pederman or WTF his name is, had a backup gig then CK should as well.
I originally thought the owners were screwing him over big time. The last straw was that workout where he changed the location, did not look good, and other peripherals. I was late to the party in in joining many others in the belief that he didnt want to play.
The sports shows right now are unwatchable with this shit going on, and I just hope once games start we can talk about the freaking games, and not some political and racial shit.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieThe guys that own NFL teams are first and foremost capitalists. A dude can be a convicted wife-beating felon and they'll give him a shot if they think he can win games. They subscribe to the "act now, apologize later" philosophy. If they thought Kaepernick could win them games, they'd give him a contract right now. The fact that they haven't tells you exactly how they evaluate his ability.
Thank you. I forgot this point as well. Plenty of pieces of shit in the NFL still playing and getting paid, because they actually contribute.
posted by thavoiceHuh?
I, like millions of Americans, watch sports (and movies, music) for the event and not for some political/activist statement. I want to hear and see what pertains to the game/product on the field and not a stance any player is making on political events.
When I go to a concert, I dont want the singer to bloviate about a cause or political event, even if it is what I believe in.
Sports should be an escape from the every day monotony of life.
If a player wants to use his platform outside the lines, then so be it and I am all for that.
Once you get onto, and into, the playing fields just go and play. Employers have every right to censor what their employees say and do, especially while "on the clock".
So basically in a nutshell you support their right to protest somewhere where no one has to see it and it can be easily ignored so as not to annoy you and ruin your day. That’s hil
posted by geeblockSo basically in a nutshell you support their right to protest somewhere where no one has to see it and it can be easily ignored so as not to annoy you and ruin your day. That’s hil
You’ll have to excuse thavoice, he’s a racist scumbag POS
It’s a bit ironic that while everyone is protesting police, the murder rates in some cities are sky rocketing. LA, Chicago to name 2.
