LOCKED: George Floyd

posted by justincredible

It's closer to 96.43%. I did the math. You should be ashamed.

78.69% of statistics are made up on the spot.

posted by Heretic

THE BREOWNS ARE GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!

He's probably still fapping over a picture of Johnny Football.

posted by thavoice

78.69% of statistics are made up on the spot.

That's only true 50% of the time.

posted by gut

That's only true 50% of the time.

LOOOOOOL

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1268249841005625353

They upped the charge to 2nd degree murder and are charging the other 3 with aiding and abetting.

posted by iclfan2

They upped the charge to 2nd degree murder and are charging the other 3 with aiding and abetting.

posted by justincredible

LOOOOOOL

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1268249841005625353

Haha...that's awesome

posted by iclfan2

They upped the charge to 2nd degree murder and are charging the other 3 with aiding and abetting.

Heard some turd activist stating it should be murder one, premeditated.  Saying that when he was kneeling on him for the time that lead to premeditation.

Retarded.

posted by gut

That's only true 50% of the time.

64.9%of the time

posted by thavoice

Heard some turd activist stating it should be murder one, premeditated.  Saying that when he was kneeling on him for the time that lead to premeditation.

Retarded.

Some of these high-profile cases resulted in acquittals because prosecutors deliberately overcharged to satisfy the mob.  Those cases had to be awful to be a juror, knowing the person was guilty of a very serious crime but that the DA didn't satisfy the requirements for the charges.

3rd degree murder means you can't prove intent.  Apparently the body cam audio and some other things makes them believe they can prove intent.  It seems reasonable, but I think you risk overcharging if you're demanding murder one.

posted by iclfan2

They upped the charge to 2nd degree murder and are charging the other 3 with aiding and abetting.

I hope that means they are still keeping 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter in play.  Unless they get a confession from Chauvin, I don't know how you prove he intended to kill Floyd.  Could be just some grandstanding by the DA to appease the protesters, or maybe they're hoping for an OJ-type jury, but in reverse.  Just don't make the same mistake as George Zimmerman's prosecutor did.

posted by gut

Some of these high-profile cases resulted in acquittals because prosecutors deliberately overcharged to satisfy the mob.  Those cases had to be awful to be a juror, knowing the person was guilty of a very serious crime but that the DA didn't satisfy the requirements for the charges.

3rd degree murder means you can't prove intent.  Apparently the body cam audio and some other things makes them believe they can prove intent.  It seems reasonable, but I think you risk overcharging if you're demanding murder one.

Ray Tensing comes to mind.

posted by Zunardo

Unless they get a confession from Chauvin, I don't know how you prove he intended to kill Floyd.

Body cam audio captured one officer saying "I can't find a pulse, maybe we should turn him on his side" and Chauvin responded "No, we'll keep him like this".

Might be a little bit of stretch to prove intent, especially if he was already dead at that point.  But there's an argument that another officer is saying you're killing him, and when you ignore it that's intent to murder.  Plus, given how dangerous the move is to hold it for 9 minutes could also be considered intent.

I agree it could be a mistake to take Man 3 off the table.  I don't really understand why a DA wouldn't charge both, unless they believe they can definitely prove the higher charge and don't want to give the jury the option.

I saw this article going around twitter saying that 3rd degree in MN doesn’t apply to this case bc of a MN Supreme Court ruling. It goes on to say that 2nd degree can be charged even if intent isn’t there, if they can prove it happened during a felony (assault). 
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/02/a-more-fitting-criminal-charge-in-george-floyds-death/

posted by iclfan2

I saw this article going around twitter saying that 3rd degree in MN doesn’t apply to this case bc of a MN Supreme Court ruling. It goes on to say that 2nd degree can be charged even if intent isn’t there, if they can prove it happened during a felony (assault). 
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/02/a-more-fitting-criminal-charge-in-george-floyds-death/

I see what you mean about the 2nd degree unintentional statute, but it looks as if it's more narrowly focused to certain situations outside of a police action.  Can the defense prove Chauvin used approved procedures in any way, and would that mitigate the 2nd degree unintentional charge? 

Oh well, lots of time before they get to the actual cat-killin'.

Saw some random procedure related discussion about the knee. No idea if this is true, but supposedly you're trained to put the knee in the middle of back/shoulder blades. 

posted by Automatik

Saw some random procedure related discussion about the knee. No idea if this is true, but supposedly you're trained to put the knee in the middle of back/shoulder blades. 

That makes a lot more sense.

posted by Automatik

Saw some random procedure related discussion about the knee. No idea if this is true, but supposedly you're trained to put the knee in the middle of back/shoulder blades.

I've always wondered how it wouldn't be extremely dangerous to kneel on someone's neck.  But makes sense - I could see how it might look that way when actually your knee/weight should be on the back between the shoulder blades

posted by gut

Some of these high-profile cases resulted in acquittals because prosecutors deliberately overcharged to satisfy the mob.  Those cases had to be awful to be a juror, knowing the person was guilty of a very serious crime but that the DA didn't satisfy the requirements for the charges.

3rd degree murder means you can't prove intent.  Apparently the body cam audio and some other things makes them believe they can prove intent.  It seems reasonable, but I think you risk overcharging if you're demanding murder one.

True.

If they would put Murder 1, and only Murder 1, on the table, he should get acquitted.