Covid-19 discussion, continued...

gut Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 1:08 PM
posted by O-Trap

See?  I don't mind this as much.  If it basically comes down to the CDC saying, "This is what you should do, and we encourage you to do as much of it as you can," that's not problematic, I don't think.

Can we even produce enough masks to distribute to K-12 kids every day?

And how stupid is it to expect a 3rd grader to wear a mask properly all day, and not touch their face all day?  Might as well just make it a guideline that people don't catch the virus....

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 1:56 PM
posted by QuakerOats

 

 

 

It is the safest demographic; they have a far greater chance of dying in a bus wreck.

 

 

They're carriers of everything known to man. Their R0 numbers are off the charts.They'll be fine. Grandma, dad, etc. not so much.

 

Idiot.

 

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 2:05 PM

How about we start publicizing the models detailing our economic collapse if we continue with shutdowns? That destruction will make the covid death models looks like a walk in the park (and I don’t mean to diminish in any way the losses suffered by covid deaths)/

 

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Thu, May 21, 2020 2:15 PM
posted by gut

Can we even produce enough masks to distribute to K-12 kids every day?

And how stupid is it to expect a 3rd grader to wear a mask properly all day, and not touch their face all day?  Might as well just make it a guideline that people don't catch the virus....

Depending on how much money is in it, I'm sure there would be businesses happy to fill the void.

As for the second question, I doubt anyone actually expects that to go smoothly.  When I hear "guidelines," I hear "in a perfect world."  Just trying to get as close to the ideal as possible is, I think, the best you can do.  There certainly shouldn't be any penalties for not hitting it.

 

 

gut Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 3:36 PM
posted by O-Trap

Depending on how much money is in it, I'm sure there would be businesses happy to fill the void.

I think most of that manufacturing capacity is in China.  It would be hard to tool-up for that in a few months, and it's unlikely that someone making car parts is going to change over to making masks, if it were even feasible.  Plus, simply "if you pay enough" you have to consider that process starts with someone making the tooling.  And with a shortage of that you have to go back even another tier to the people who make the tooling to make the tooling (yes, that's a real thing).  All that takes time, even if you're writing a blank check.

A year or two from now under reasonable economics, sure.  But we're 3 months into this and we still barely have enough masks for healthcare workers.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Thu, May 21, 2020 4:08 PM
posted by gut

I think most of that manufacturing capacity is in China.  It would be hard to tool-up for that in a few months, and it's unlikely that someone making car parts is going to change over to making masks, if it were even feasible.  Plus, simply "if you pay enough" you have to consider that process starts with someone making the tooling.  And with a shortage of that you have to go back even another tier to the people who make the tooling to make the tooling (yes, that's a real thing).  All that takes time, even if you're writing a blank check.

A year or two from now under reasonable economics, sure.  But we're 3 months into this and we still barely have enough masks for healthcare workers.

I actually used to do a newsletter for a company that produces tooling equipment. I hadn't really considered what all would be involved in that, so perhaps you're right.  At least in the short-term, it's probably not feasible.  Not with any kind of non-homemade masks, anyway.

But as you said, it's not likely the kids would keep them on well anyway.

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 4:34 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

They're carriers of everything known to man. Their R0 numbers are off the charts.They'll be fine. Grandma, dad, etc. not so much.

 

Idiot.

 

It baffles me that people cannot understand that point. It’s not about the kids getting it or regular healthy people getting it or whatever, it’s about them passing it to others who are more vulnerable. And they’d have no idea they did it. 

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

It baffles me that people cannot understand that point. It’s not about the kids getting it or regular healthy people getting it or whatever, it’s about them passing it to others who are more vulnerable. And they’d have no idea they did it. 

I imagine it's often choosing to pretend not to understand. Easier than making their case honestly.

gut Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 4:47 PM
posted by O-Trap

But as you said, it's not likely the kids would keep them on well anyway.

On the other hand, maybe I'll invest in a maker of halloween masks....

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 4:55 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

It baffles me that people cannot understand that point. It’s not about the kids getting it or regular healthy people getting it or whatever, it’s about them passing it to others who are more vulnerable. And they’d have no idea they did it. 

There is more evidence that kids do not only get infected much, they are also very poor carriers (i.e. they don't spread it easily).  

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 5:30 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

They're carriers of everything known to man. Their R0 numbers are off the charts.They'll be fine. Grandma, dad, etc. not so much.

 

Idiot.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-epidemiolo/children-with-covid-19-may-be-less-contagious-than-adults-two-uk-epidemiologists-say-idUSKBN22V1K1

Ironman92 Administrator
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Thu, May 21, 2020 6:01 PM

300 at a wedding is ok in June but 2 months later please no more than 12 kids on a bus

gut Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 8:47 PM
posted by Ironman92

300 at a wedding is ok in June but 2 months later please no more than 12 kids on a bus

Article I just saw in The Atlantic was like "OMGOMGOMGOMG states are including antibody tests in their numbers which is overstating their testing for active cases and could allow them to re-open when they haven't met the guidelines".

But the hospitals are nowhere near overburdened and I thought that was the point?  If the shutdowns work - and I'm not sure they do - then why can't we just shutdown again if numbers start going back up?  Usually elicits some response about Drumpf and deplorables.

majorspark Senior Member
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Thu, May 21, 2020 11:43 PM
posted by Ironman92

300 at a wedding is ok in June but 2 months later please no more than 12 kids on a bus

Its arbitrary.  Fear has set in. The ability to control is ripe for the picking. Even some staunch libertarians are falling in line.

The idea that kiddos can't live their lives because grandma and grandpa might get the plague is selfish.  If your fear is so great stay away.  My wife and I have liberated ourselves from our children and grandchildren being a sponge for the virus and so have our elderly parents.  When my son comes home from Chicago I am going to give him a big hug which I admit I was scared to give him the last time he was home.

Fear will no longer trump my grandaughter laying on my chest while I read a book while she lives the life we all enjoyed as kids. 

By the way I wonder how many are troubled by crowds gathering and not worried about the teenage kid dropping a handle full of ketchup packets in their takeout bag.

friendfromlowry Senior Member
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Fri, May 22, 2020 11:10 AM

Got my haircut. It was fine except Skip Bayless was on the TV trying to argue Patrick Mahomes is overrated. 

Spock Senior Member
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Fri, May 22, 2020 11:23 AM

All the numbers we are getting will eventually be combed through and most of these fear mongerers are going to look stupid.

 

I am sick of hearing about positive tests......how about how many people are actually sick from it?  Already established that upwards of 40% of people dont even have symptoms or mild cold like symptoms.

 

 

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, May 22, 2020 12:13 PM
posted by friendfromlowry

Got my haircut. It was fine except Skip Bayless was on the TV trying to argue Patrick Mahomes is overrated. 

Got a haircut today as well.

Clear shower curtains between each chair. All barbers wearing masks. My head feels a lot lighter.

OSH Kosh B'Gosh
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Fri, May 22, 2020 12:48 PM

Had my first draft beer in 2+ months today, Yuengling. Was refreshing.

No haircut for me.

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Fri, May 22, 2020 2:42 PM
posted by Spock

I am sick of hearing about positive tests......how about how many people are actually sick from it?  Already established that upwards of 40% of people dont even have symptoms or mild cold like symptoms.

 

 

Smart people understand that the large number of asymptomatic carriers is a large part of why this virus is so dangerous. Not surprised that you don't get it.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, May 22, 2020 6:55 PM

Dinner and beer at a local brewery tonight. People are out. Almost feels normal. Almost. 

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