posted by HereticAs opposed to the "old age" where most of "you people" were losing your minds so completely over Obama? I mean, the old site is archived somewhere in teh interwebs, so anyone can look up eight years of conservative tears if they so choose. The only difference now is that the whiners are cheering and the cheerers are whining.
It's really not in the same ballpark...at all.
Any reasonable person can see this.
posted by saltoWell, I suppose we need to agree to disagree. Obama referring to someplace as a "shit show" because of being an ISIS haven is not the same as Trump referring to Haitians and African countries as shitholes.
1. He didn’t call Haitians, he called Haiti.
2. Calling a country a shit show vs shit hole is a real difference to you? I surely hope you are joking.
posted by CenterBHSFanAbout the Libya/Haiti comments and the disparity of outrage over them: I think it just goes to show how quickly we've willingly chosen to be outraged in the past few years.
No, it’s the difference between Obama saying it and the MSM giving him a pass on everything vs Trump saying it and the MSM always twisting every word he says and being offended.
And it isn’t just the MSM as the actual democrats in DC are doing it too.
Haiti is a shithole
Trump calls Haiti a shithole (maybe)
Media goes berserk
Had he said Haiti was a wonderful vibrant country, media would have called him a liar or dumb or both.
Carry on
Even if he did say it......what he meant by it surely is not racism. That country is a shithole. Americans are often told that when visiting resorts to not leave those areas because the lawless country is dangerous.
As for why this country is this way, just look into where all the HAiti money went and who controls their oil and gold........
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu
80 seconds down memory lane ....
posted by saltoWell, I suppose we need to agree to disagree. Obama referring to someplace as a "shit show" because of being an ISIS haven is not the same as Trump referring to Haitians and African countries as shitholes.
Superman negs with the response, "stop playing the race cards"....lol.
Oh the irony, calling race card while being a Trump fan. Look at the context of the conversations. Only Trump's comes across racist.
posted by saltoSuperman negs with the response, "stop playing the race cards"....lol.
Oh the irony, calling race card while being a Trump fan. Look at the context of the conversations. Only Trump's comes across racist.
Completely false and shows your obvious bias.
posted by QuakerOatshttps://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu
80 seconds down memory lane ....
speaks volumes on how bad todays media and Dems are.
posted by jmogActually so far everyone else at the meeting has denied hearing any such comment.
And as a reminder, Durban is the one that said a republican senator said they “couldn’t even look at Obama” in a similar closed door meeting
The Obama admin and everyone else at the meeting denied it happened.
He has a past of making crap up against Rs out of closed door meetings.
He has also told us which country he thinks is a shithole.
posted by QuakerOats
Take care
Nice to know the Prez can read.
This thread went as I expected.
His comments were pretty damn bad, but everyone went into their respective corners on the issue.
I just have one question for really Quaker and Spock.
Is there really any way to properly criticize the President? Or, is there any real way that would say, yelp, that was dumb Trump and he was wrong?
It just seems the President can do no wrong in your guys eyes.
I have stated numberous times that some his tweets and some of his comments are off base and not helpful. But no matter what he says or does the media will continue to slam him relentlessly; and it is personal, not policy related. He is completely under their skin and they can't handle it. They criticize him all day long, about every single thing .............they have gone so far overboard that to ask now whether there is any way to properly criticize him is simply a joke.
Like QQ said......I have stated that his tweeting is not presidential but when the media/deep state/DC are all out to get him because he isnt a greasy bought and paid for politician I am going to take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt.
Most of the 90% of the negative press he gets is ridiculous/mostly fake and borderline dangerous to the US.
So it comes off as Pro-Trump its not. Its Anti media and anti government.
posted by Spock
Most of the 90% of the negative press he gets is ridiculous/mostly fake and borderline dangerous to the US.
How much is "most of" 90%?
posted by ptown_trojans_1This thread went as I expected.
His comments were pretty damn bad, but everyone went into their respective corners on the issue.
I just have one question for really Quaker and Spock.
Is there really any way to properly criticize the President? Or, is there any real way that would say, yelp, that was dumb Trump and he was wrong?
It just seems the President can do no wrong in your guys eyes.
Fair points for sure.
As a guy with alleged DC experience/connections, where do you rank this on the list of “worst statements made by a POTUS in a closed-door policy meeting, and subsequently leaked to the press?”
Another question. Is it Trump's fault or ours that we allow his comments to completely obscure far more important things that happened (i.e. the surveilance vote in the house)? Has that legislation been given five minutes on the news channels?
posted by ptown_trojans_1This thread went as I expected.
His comments were pretty damn bad, but everyone went into their respective corners on the issue.
I just have one question for really Quaker and Spock.
Is there really any way to properly criticize the President? Or, is there any real way that would say, yelp, that was dumb Trump and he was wrong?
It just seems the President can do no wrong in your guys eyes.
That's just two guys who are incapable of anything other than team "us vs. them" politics. Where anything a D president says or does is wrong and needs blown up, but anything an R in the office says or does is cool or, at worst, deserves a milquetoast "Well, I really wish he wouldn't tweet those things so much..." response before putting all the actual blame on everyone and everything else. I mean, QQ's last sentence in his response to you is a complete joke considering he spent the past eight years doing the same thing he's not yelling about other people doing with Trump.
Just catching up on the news and read this thread. A few thoughts:
-No doubt Trump said it and there is no doubt he has said worse behind close doors. There is also no doubt other presidents have said pretty damning shit behind closed doors. There is a reason these meetings are behind closed doors. Only a figure like Trump could make this a story. No one can prove he said it and you have both sides digging in claiming he did/didnt say it. The guy who is making the claim has a history of making shit up too. I hate that style of reporting and I hate when people air out private convos. No one gave a fuck when it happened to Obama or Bush, because everyone understood the context of private conversations. This is high school he said/she said drama shit. It's remarkable this is what our journalism has come down to. This story is porn for the TDS crowd and another reason for trumpers to hate the media.
-I am with gut on this, what Durbin did is a coward move. He knew it would get headlines though, because it is Trump. Anyone who airs out private convos like that is a coward and lacks integrity imo.
-Haiti is a shithole. I do find the virtue signaling funny considering the majority of the leftists virtuing say similar things about certain US cities and towns that are outside of NYC, LA, SF, and Chicago. Just look at the history of this site and the shit posters say (including me) about towns in Ohio.
-I don't see how the comment is racist. Is it because he mentioned Norwary? If you look at most shithole countries vs high median income countries typically the shithole countries are not white and the higher median countries are white. Before panties get in a bunch, I am not saying those countries are in those conditions, because of skin color. It is just a fact. If you're going to compare a successful country to a shit hole country, the chances are high you're going to compare a predominantly white country to a country that isn't predominantly white. Trump also has provided aid to Haiti with his own money, before he became a presidential candidate. Rand Paul tries to go to underdevolped (i.e. shithole) countries 4-5 times a year (during recess) to provide pro bono eye surgeris. Apparently Trump financed most of Rand's trip to Haiti when he provided pro bono surgeries there.
-Ptown still getting rattled by quaker and cc still brings the lulz.
