posted by jmogI didn't say no one alive has been affected by racism or Jim Crowe laws. So before you call someone else stupid, actually read what they typed.
Well if you actually read my post i never said slavery. I said religion was used to say black people were subhuman and inferior.
My whole comment while once again hijacked by something that wasn’t the point was based on Justin’s comment that he wanted to be governed by god and not man. My point was that it is impossible because man will always and have have always interpreted his will for their own purposes and control, on top of that man is imperfect. It really had nothing to do with slavery or racism that was just an example, I could have used many others
posted by geeblockMy whole comment while once again hijacked by something that wasn’t the point was based on Justin’s comment that he wanted to be governed by god and not man. My point was that it is impossible because man will always and have have always interpreted his will for their own purposes and control, on top of that man is imperfect. It really had nothing to do with slavery or racism that was just an example, I could have used many others
Care to admit you just made up the part about someone saying black people don’t experience racism, or however dumb way you said it?
posted by jmogCare to admit you just made up the part about someone saying black people don’t experience racism, or however dumb way you said it?
If you will admit that saying s”no one was alive during slavery” is almost never a good point to make during any ar
posted by geeblockIf you will admit that saying s”no one was alive during slavery” is almost never a good point to make during any ar
It is a salient point. Whether you like it is another point, altogether.
posted by justincredibleYeah, that's enough of this conversation for me. Enjoy your day.
See what happens when you take Justin's name in vain?!
posted by jmogCare to admit you just made up the part about someone saying black people don’t experience racism, or however dumb way you said it?
When yiu say slavery hasn’t affected you at all that that is basically what you are saying. That slavery has no link to Jim Crow or other laws that did affect my life and it simply isn’t true. Half the country wanted to keep slavery. Changing the law didn’t change how people felt clearly. It is one of those statements while I’m sure you can find a way to defend it, it just never sounds very smart to me. But I’m not going to argue about it. This seems to be a very strong tenet of yours which isn’t likely to change. Have a good night .
posted by geeblockIf you will admit that saying s”no one was alive during slavery” is almost never a good point to make during any ar
Didn’t think you’d admit to lying.
I made a valid point even if you don’t like it.
You made shit up to make it look like I said something racist that was never said by ANYONE (even the far right wingers) on this board.
Be a better person and admit you made 💩 up to play the race card.
posted by geeblockWhen yiu say slavery hasn’t affected you at all that that is basically what you are saying. That slavery has no link to Jim Crow or other laws that did affect my life and it simply isn’t true. Half the country wanted to keep slavery. Changing the law didn’t change how people felt clearly. It is one of those statements while I’m sure you can find a way to defend it, it just never sounds very smart to me. But I’m not going to argue about it. This seems to be a very strong tenet of yours which isn’t likely to change. Have a good night .
You can’t read 100 things into something that wasn’t actually said, it makes you look stupid.
Admit you made shit up or stop yapping. You played the race card and people, not just me, called you out on it.
posted by geeblockWhen yiu say slavery hasn’t affected you at all that that is basically what you are saying. That slavery has no link to Jim Crow or other laws that did affect my life and it simply isn’t true. Half the country wanted to keep slavery. Changing the law didn’t change how people felt clearly. It is one of those statements while I’m sure you can find a way to defend it, it just never sounds very smart to me. But I’m not going to argue about it. This seems to be a very strong tenet of yours which isn’t likely to change. Have a good night .
You lie about what people said yet try to play the victim and blame others.
Grow up.
I think it's fair to realize that everybody goes through, actually experiences, some sort of -ism in our lives. It's how we deal with/prioritize it in our lives that defines who we are. Some people just don't have the tools to deal with it very well. Some people do.
I choose to not let it hang me up because there comes a time in life when you realize that you actually have the choice to move along, without dragging that shit with you.
Next topic!
"I promise slavery has not affected you at all, just like it hasn’t anyone who is alive right now."
This is a low brow statement that is used for a specific purpose and I disagree with it as do most people. I understand the audience here and the argument you will use to justify the statement, even tho you admit (jim crow) otherwise. so yes next topic
posted by geeblock"I promise slavery has not affected you at all, just like it hasn’t anyone who is alive right now."
This is a low brow statement that is used for a specific purpose and I disagree with it as do most people. I understand the audience here and the argument you will use to justify the statement, even tho you admit (jim crow) otherwise. so yes next topic
So now stating facts is “low brow”?
You made up a statement that was never said, pulling the race card to make someone look/sound racist and you got called out on it. Now you just want to move on.
You admit you made BS up and we can move on. You said something that NO ONE said.
Even PTown called you out on it in a much longer worded fashion.
I'm sorry your pussy hurts, geeblock. But most of us won't don't or wont automatically feel sorry for you because shitty things happen to everybody all the time and always will. Nobody goes through the act of living unscathed. That is one thing we all have in common.
Maybe if you could post without referring to your racial grievances, real or perceived, all the fucking time, there would be less friction.
Ill Try to say it slower..
1. I never mentioned slavery or that it affected my life. Please go back and actually read my posts. They never mention slavery, they never mention my life.
2. Posters jumped in and brought up slavery and said it never affected my life. I have no idea why they did that. The conversation was about being governed by god or man and the relationship with god/government and government using religion for their own purposes. I said religion was often used for control or to oppress other groups and mentioned black people. Never said slavery, never said i was talking about myself or anything that was happening or ever happened to me.
3. Once it was brought up by others not me, i did wonder why it was brought up because it clearly didnt apply to the conversation and was actually never said by me. So then I responded that the only reason it must have been brought up was to say that the lingering racism and effects of racism didnt have an effect on my life in some ways. So I mentioned a few ways that it did. I never asked for anyone to feel sorry for me but tried to educate the relationship between slavery and years of oppression that followed.
4. You guys must have been just sitting on the 'no one alive has been affected by slavery' schtick and waiting for a chance to talk to a black person and bring it out, but not once did I mention slavery, not once was i talking about how slavery effected my life or anything even close. I even clarified it several times that other examples like the crusades or manifest destiny would also apply. Never played the race card , never brought up slavery, never brought up my life. I did respond that I think that the statement is "low brow" meaning very unsophisticated which it is. Im sorry if you guys are that fragile and the conversation hurt your feelings. Jesus Christ
posted by CenterBHSFanthis is where the thread went off the hinges when none of this was said. Its like they just made up a whole conversation that didnt happen and everyone went with it.Are we seriously going to be bringing up slavery abolition incrementalism and the 2/3 compromise *again*?
Like those things weren't explained in minute detail countless times already?
Are we going to pretend that we don't have a clue again, all for the sake of appeasing feelings of events that none of us have personally lived through or witnessed in real time?
Well, alright then. I suppose it won't hurt all that much and it will give this site a bump in traffic.
posted by geeblock
this is where the thread went off the hinges when none of this was said. Its like they just made up a whole conversation that didnt happen and everyone went with it.
justin mentioned prohibition and how it came and went and i mentioned the same with black people and cbhs lost her shit
then jmog never actually reading posts, and looking for a chance to argue comes of the top rope with his whole spiel that had nothing to do with what was actually said but he obviously has been waiting to pull out.
posted by geeblockIll Try to say it slower..
1. I never mentioned slavery or that it affected my life. Please go back and actually read my posts. They never mention slavery, they never mention my life.
2. Posters jumped in and brought up slavery and said it never affected my life. I have no idea why they did that. The conversation was about being governed by god or man and the relationship with god/government and government using religion for their own purposes. I said religion was often used for control or to oppress other groups and mentioned black people. Never said slavery, never said i was talking about myself or anything that was happening or ever happened to me.
3. Once it was brought up by others not me, i did wonder why it was brought up because it clearly didnt apply to the conversation and was actually never said by me. So then I responded that the only reason it must have been brought up was to say that the lingering racism and effects of racism didnt have an effect on my life in some ways. So I mentioned a few ways that it did. I never asked for anyone to feel sorry for me but tried to educate the relationship between slavery and years of oppression that followed.
4. You guys must have been just sitting on the 'no one alive has been affected by slavery' schtick and waiting for a chance to talk to a black person and bring it out, but not once did I mention slavery, not once was i talking about how slavery effected my life or anything even close. I even clarified it several times that other examples like the crusades or manifest destiny would also apply. Never played the race card , never brought up slavery, never brought up my life. I did respond that I think that the statement is "low brow" meaning very unsophisticated which it is. Im sorry if you guys are that fragile and the conversation hurt your feelings. Jesus Christ
You still won't admit that NO ONE said "black people aren't affected by racism" will you?
Be a man, admit you made shit up that wasn't actually said.
And "I didn't bring up slavery" is half hearted when you didn't say the actual word slavery yet you were talking about how the founding fathers used "god" to say black men weren't fully men/human which is the argument they made for the institution of slavery.
You somehow took "slavery doesn't affect anyone's lives right now" to mean I meant "racism doesn't exist" which is about the dumbest take you have ever made, which is saying something.
You wrote 4 paragraphs of explaining away why you just plain made shit up, just admit you were wrong and move on. No one said black people aren't affected by racism. Take that statement back as an error made by you.
posted by jmogYou still won't admit that NO ONE said "black people aren't affected by racism" will you?
Be a man, admit you made shit up that wasn't actually said.
And "I didn't bring up slavery" is half hearted when you didn't say the actual word slavery yet you were talking about how the founding fathers used "god" to say black men weren't fully men/human which is the argument they made for the institution of slavery.
You somehow took "slavery doesn't affect anyone's lives right now" to mean I meant "racism doesn't exist" which is about the dumbest take you have ever made, which is saying something.
You wrote 4 paragraphs of explaining away why you just plain made shit up, just admit you were wrong and move on. No one said black people aren't affected by racism. Take that statement back as an error made by you.
sure if you can explain why you said it then
posted by geeblockHowever at some point “god” said black people did not qualify as real people which was decided by “men”?
This was a direct reference to how some people in the1600s-1800s justified enslaving black people. Your comment here was an indirect reference to how slavery was justified in North America from 1600s to 1800s. So you did bring up slavery, just didn't say the word slavery. You just mentioned how it was justified.
So yes, I said that no one alive today, including yourself, has been affected by slavery that ended almost 200 years ago now. I did not say racism, I did not say Jim Crow (which is basically the same as racism, it was legally allowed racism).
You made shit up, said that I said "no black person has been affected by racism" when I said "no one alive now has been affected by slavery" which, to be fair, isn't exactly true as there are still slaves across the world, I was obviously referring to the slavery practice specifically in the US from 1600s to 1860s.
