Impressed by the Trump administration part II

Spock Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 10:32 AM
posted by QuakerOats

 

Good to know you favor conspiracy, collusion, corruption, and cover-ups at the highest levels of the “Justice” Dept., the FBI, and the DNC.  It appears the enemies within are more numerous than one might think. 

they are numerous and this goes back decades.  DC is a circular swamp.  Electing a none politician is a good thing, we are flushing it out.  We need to elect more in the future that dont have their lifeline connecting to DC.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 10:42 AM
posted by QuakerOats

Good to know you favor conspiracy, collusion, corruption, and cover-ups at the highest levels of the “Justice” Dept., the FBI, and the DNC.  It appears the enemies within are more numerous than one might think. 

Oh, look.  Someone who disagrees with Quaker is an actual enemy.

Automatik Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 10:50 AM

Ahh yes, the GOP....the totally moral, law-abiding side. LOL

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 11:23 AM
posted by Spock

they are numerous and this goes back decades.  DC is a circular swamp.  Electing a none politician is a good thing, we are flushing it out.  We need to elect more in the future that dont have their lifeline connecting to DC.

This isn't even close to currently happening.  Wtf are you watching?  If you actually want this to happen, start voting for third party members.  As long as we keep allowing the GOP and DNC take turns fucking shit up, nothing will change. 

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 11:33 AM

 

No doubt both sides have been immersed in the swamp and become intoxicated with $$$.  However, we are finding just how corrupt, collusive and conspiratorial one side has been for the last ten years, and this is SOLELY due to the election of Trump, and the perseverance of certain republicans. 

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 12:02 PM
posted by O-Trap

Oh, look.  Someone who disagrees with Quaker is an actual enemy.

It's good to see that the RNC spent the last couple weeks giving their bots a good tune-up to make them more hysterical and prone to histrionics on a daily basis, explaining why he was gone for awhile and why he came back even more rabidly insane than usual.

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 12:05 PM
posted by like_that

This isn't even close to currently happening.  Wtf are you watching?  If you actually want this to happen, start voting for third party members.  As long as we keep allowing the GOP and DNC take turns fucking shit up, nothing will change. 

This. Neither the GOP nor the DNC are worth shit -- just two collections of super-rich people taking turns running the show. Anyone who legit cheers for one (as opposed to the "lesser of two evils" philosophy, which is merely misguided) is either an idiot or someone who is profiting off big politics.

gut Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 12:10 PM
posted by Heretic

This. Neither the GOP nor the DNC are worth shit -- just two collections of super-rich people taking turns running the show. Anyone who legit cheers for one (as opposed to the "lesser of two evils" philosophy, which is merely misguided) is either an idiot or someone who is profiting off big politics.

People keep saying that, but there's no evidence that 3rd/multiple parties would make things any better.  Most of the countries in Europe have multiple parties, and are more socialist and running larger deficits than the US.

No, the solution is to get rid of the incumbents who don't do the job.  The problem is not that America doesn't have a 3rd party, the problem is it doesn't hold its politicians accountable.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 12:22 PM

 

The problem is the federal government is at least twice the size it should be.

8,788 posts 20 reps Joined Nov 2009
Wed, Aug 29, 2018 12:24 PM
posted by gut

People keep saying that, but there's no evidence that 3rd/multiple parties would make things any better.  Most of the countries in Europe have multiple parties, and are more socialist and running larger deficits than the US.

No, the solution is to get rid of the incumbents who don't do the job.  The problem is not that America doesn't have a 3rd party, the problem is it doesn't hold its politicians accountable.

Agreed. A good number of the members of Congress either run unopposed or in a District so safe that is essentially a no contest. You also have a rise in the number of primaries, but normally those pull the incumbents further away from the middle and more toward the base. As a result, the people who do win the primaries are either way too far left or right and then either get trounced or win unopposed. Thus the cycle continues, but each side pulls further and further apart. 

There is rarely actual middle of the road accountability for incumbents. 

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 3:45 PM

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/29/canadas-trudeau-says-nafta-deal-possible-by-friday.html

 

Cannot recall an elected official delivering on so much, so soon, as Trump has; remarkable considering the daily rancor from the left and the media.

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 6:09 PM
posted by gut

People keep saying that, but there's no evidence that 3rd/multiple parties would make things any better.  Most of the countries in Europe have multiple parties, and are more socialist and running larger deficits than the US.

No, the solution is to get rid of the incumbents who don't do the job.  The problem is not that America doesn't have a 3rd party, the problem is it doesn't hold its politicians accountable.

Here's why I think more than two parties makes that a more realistic option, though:

With our two parties, at least in the current climate, how does that typically go?  How does one hold politicians accountable?

They usually vote in a candidate from the other party.

What happens when the candidate from the other party ALSO doesn't do the job?  We end up playing a game of hot potato with the candidates, and the campaigns end up just pointing out how the other's track record makes them less likely to do the job.

As it stands, if the incumbent hasn't done the job, I have exactly one response in a general election: vote for the one other guy.  What if I don't have any confidence in the other guy's ability or willingness to do the job?  I end up playing the, "Well, at least X is not Y" game.

More than two candidates doesn't inherently solve that problem, but it provides more options, which inevitably increases the possibility that I believe ONE of the people up for office will do the job.

With only two parties, though, many are forced into the notion that if they wish to vote for 'not A', they must vote for 'B'.  We essentially force ourselves into an unnecessary dichotomy, and one that provides us with basically one question: Which is better, the poison you know or the poison you don't?

Spock Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 8:42 PM
posted by like_that

This isn't even close to currently happening.  Wtf are you watching?  If you actually want this to happen, start voting for third party members.  As long as we keep allowing the GOP and DNC take turns fucking shit up, nothing will change. 

Trump is the closest thing to a 3rd party as we have gotten.  

Spock Senior Member
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 8:43 PM

Term limits solve a lot of this

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Thu, Aug 30, 2018 1:12 AM
posted by QuakerOats

And yes, the tax code is over 2,000 pages, and it takes another 70,000 pages to explain those 2,000 pages. 

BURN IT, and eliminate the IRS.

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QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Aug 30, 2018 3:34 PM

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/30/newt-gingrich-trump-keeps-racking-up-victories-despite-liberal-medias-desperate-efforts.html

 

Nice summary of some of the many wins ……..key takeaway: Trump is willing to endure (tremendous) heat to achieve success, unlike actual politicians.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Aug 30, 2018 3:59 PM

 

Micron Technology To Spend $3 Billion To Expand Plant In Virginia.

The AP (8/29) reports Micron Technology “is making a $3 billion investment in northern Virginia to expand its manufacturing facility and add 1,100 jobs.” Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam said that the decision Micron “to expand its Manassas facility is ‘one of the largest manufacturing investments in the history of this commonwealth’ at a groundbreaking ceremony Wednesday.” The company “decided to expand its existing facility in Manassas after considering offers from competing domestic and international locations, including Singapore.”

 

 

Thankfully we have created an atmosphere where we welcome business investment in the US.  What a far, far cry from the days of “You didn’t build it”.

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Aug 30, 2018 8:06 PM

$3 billion is a lot of cheddar

BoatShoes Senior Member
5,991 posts 23 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Aug 31, 2018 1:01 AM
posted by Spock

Term limits solve a lot of this

Term limits solve nothing. Exhibit A is the Ohio General Assembly. It is worse than Congress. 

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
18,909 posts 140 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Aug 31, 2018 12:16 PM
posted by BoatShoes

Term limits solve nothing. Exhibit A is the Ohio General Assembly. It is worse than Congress. 

I actually agree with this.

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