posted by jmogGeeblock, you happy that ABC fired Rosanne for her racist tweet?
couldnt care less didnt watch the show. just laughing at people who were talking last week about Businesses and free speech and how the narrative has changed in this situation.
This is an interesting article: https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/29/roseanne-barr-valerie-jarrett-cancelled/
This race to find more things to be offended about and more reasons to start lynch mobs doesn't seem particularly healthy for the fabric of American society, especially if right and left are determined to one-up each other on the outrage front. Many media companies will attempt to appease viewers on both sides of the ideological spectrum, and their output will be that much less interesting.
posted by CenterBHSFanThis is an interesting article: https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/29/roseanne-barr-valerie-jarrett-cancelled/
this is what i was stating with my original posts..i didnt mention race. this is very well said
posted by iclfan2I would agree for the most part, but how is this consistent with their "image"? ESPN in same family with Disney. It's hard to explain but I don't like Roseanne, don't care about her show, but if you're going to make rules that offensive speech is not tolerated, how do you pick and choose who you fire/ hire?
I'm not sure they would even make such a decision based on their image. I'd argue that this, just like the NFL, is a private company guarding their bottom line.
You can agree or disagree with the business in either case from an ethical standpoint. You can agree or disagree with the employed party in either case from an ethical standpoint. But from a legal standpoint, they don't have to feign any ideological consistency.
posted by gutLOL, Trump Jr retweeted Roseanne's 2 tweets about Soros. That guy really is a dumbass.
What a dipshit. WTF is wrong with him?
posted by geeblockcouldnt care less didnt watch the show. just laughing at people who were talking last week about Businesses and free speech and how the narrative has changed in this situation.
So you don’t care that they fired Barr but you are all against the NFL making anthem requirements.
You appear to be just as hypocritical as those you are just “pointing out”.
One has to be on the NFL and ABC side or the Barr and players side to be consistent.
posted by jmogSo you don’t care that they fired Barr but you are all against the NFL making anthem requirements.
You appear to be just as hypocritical as those you are just “pointing out”.
One has to be on the NFL and ABC side or the Barr and players side to be consistent.
I dont compare racist tweets to a silent protest. many were defending the nfl for their right to fire kaep and reid but arent defending ABC. Im not against the NFL making a rule for the anthem but it should be collectively bargained with the players as it is in the NBA. I also think they could have avoided this whole thing by showing the same empathy for the players issues as the NBA does. Rosanne is a person who previously had disrespected the anthem way more than the players so it even adds more irony to me to those who support her. I did think the NFL was wrong. I was corrected by those who showed me as a business they have the right to determine who they employ. Im just repeating the same logic people have been hitting me with all year.
posted by geeblockI dont compare racist tweets to a silent protest. many were defending the nfl for their right to fire kaep and reid but arent defending ABC. Im not against the NFL making a rule for the anthem but it should be collectively bargained with the players as it is in the NBA. I also think they could have avoided this whole thing by showing the same empathy for the players issues as the NBA does. Rosanne is a person who previously had disrespected the anthem way more than the players so it even adds more irony to me to those who support her. I did think the NFL was wrong. I was corrected by those who showed me as a business they have the right to determine who they employ. Im just repeating the same logic people have been hitting me with all year.
1. Free speech is free speech, whether its kneeling or tweeting something racist. You are just agreeing with one and disagreeing with the other based on your own ideology just like those you are complaining about on here.
2. I agree with the NFL and ABC, its their right as the employer to discipline/fire anyone they want if they view it as hurting their "company".
thats a fair point
posted by geeblockIm not against the NFL making a rule for the anthem but it should be collectively bargained with the players as it is in the NBA.
OK, then the players should have waited until the next contract cycle to protest.
there wasnt a rule saying they couldn't kneel for the anthem so that seems unnecessary
I actually dont think any players were going to kneel this year. I think most realized the message had been twisted and wasnt being received. Reid said he didnt plan to. Kaep said he didnt plan to. I think he said he couldn't guarantee he wouldnt if another unarmed person was killed. now i think many players are upset and we are going to see more actions
Kaep wouldn't commit to NOT kneeling when Seattle wanted to bring him in. Hence why he's still looking for a job.
posted by geeblockthere wasnt a rule saying they couldn't kneel for the anthem so that seems unnecessary
Just the opposite IMO. Rules not covered by contract are at the discretion of the employer.
posted by geeblockI actually dont think any players were going to kneel this year. I think most realized the message had been twisted and wasnt being received. Reid said he didnt plan to. Kaep said he didnt plan to. I think he said he couldn't guarantee he wouldnt if another unarmed person was killed. now i think many players are upset and we are going to see more actions
You are living in a dream world if you believe no players were going to kneel this year had there not been a rule change by the owners/NFL.
Kaep is a slightly better Tebow in that his talent level is probably best suited to back-up and occasional starter in the right system AND in that his talent level isn't worth the distractions brought forth by them being who they are because NFL teams don't tend to like mediocre or sub-mediocre players grabbing attention for non-football related reasons.
Without the protests, Kaep would likely kick around the league for a decade or so, serving as a somewhat competent back-up and short-term starter, but the odds of him ever looking like he did over his one good stretch at the beginning of his career for any actual length of time would be pretty small. It simply comes down to him not being good enough to outweigh the distractions he'd potentially bring.
As for the NFL overall as pertains to this issue, they do what they do best -- shoot themselves in the foot due to an inability to figure anything out (I mean, every year it seems that "what constitutes a catch?" gets more over-complicated). I said this on the pro sports forum before, but only a few players were actively kneeling when Trump had his "fire up the base" comments about firing those sons of bitches, which spiked them to kneel a lot for a few weeks, leading to Pence hilariously and blatantly staging his own reverse-protest. And then it died down and wasn't really an issue throughout the playoffs and with the general environment at the top being "unless you're elite, you might not be employed if you do this because regardless of your intentions, a lot of people are seeing it differently", most players didn't seem likely to continue the protests. And so the NFL owners had a meeting to proclaim rules and bylines as to what they can and cannot do, with the only notable result being to piss off a lot of people, so instead of "If them guys keep disrespectin' muh flag, I ain't watchin'!!!!", it's "If the NFL keeps disrespectin' muh players, I ain't watchin'!!!!" this year.
In short, by making rules about it, the NFL might have appeased one group of idiots, but pissed off another in the process. GOOD JOB!!!!
posted by HereticKaep is a slightly better Tebow in that his talent level is probably best suited to back-up and occasional starter in the right system AND in that his talent level isn't worth the distractions brought forth by them being who they are because NFL teams don't tend to like mediocre or sub-mediocre players grabbing attention for non-football related reasons.
Without the protests, Kaep would likely kick around the league for a decade or so, serving as a somewhat competent back-up and short-term starter, but the odds of him ever looking like he did over his one good stretch at the beginning of his career for any actual length of time would be pretty small. It simply comes down to him not being good enough to outweigh the distractions he'd potentially bring.
As for the NFL overall as pertains to this issue, they do what they do best -- shoot themselves in the foot due to an inability to figure anything out (I mean, every year it seems that "what constitutes a catch?" gets more over-complicated). I said this on the pro sports forum before, but only a few players were actively kneeling when Trump had his "fire up the base" comments about firing those sons of bitches, which spiked them to kneel a lot for a few weeks, leading to Pence hilariously and blatantly staging his own reverse-protest. And then it died down and wasn't really an issue throughout the playoffs and with the general environment at the top being "unless you're elite, you might not be employed if you do this because regardless of your intentions, a lot of people are seeing it differently", most players didn't seem likely to continue the protests. And so the NFL owners had a meeting to proclaim rules and bylines as to what they can and cannot do, with the only notable result being to piss off a lot of people, so instead of "If them guys keep disrespectin' muh flag, I ain't watchin'!!!!", it's "If the NFL keeps disrespectin' muh players, I ain't watchin'!!!!" this year.
In short, by making rules about it, the NFL might have appeased one group of idiots, but pissed off another in the process. GOOD JOB!!!!
lol this pretty much sums it up. Would read again.
With decision making like this, it's very difficult to understand why the NBA is creeping up on the NFL.
posted by like_thatWith decision making like this, it's very difficult to understand why the NBA is creeping up on the NFL.
I've wondered for many years why Goodell still has a job, much less the obscenely massive raise he got to $40M PER YEAR!!!! Talk about being in the right place at the right time and still being massively successful no matter how bad you are at the job.
I'm convinced Goodell has very damaging dirt on CTE.....J.Edgar Hoover of the NFL (I could see him wearing dresses, too).
This is a little off topic, but... I finally got around to really watching the vid for This Is America and his facial expressions crack me up! The vid as a whole is quite entertaining but the song is uninspiring IMO. I got the references of shootings and all that, but not once did I try to look at it from a dance theory perspective that so many others do. Just my two cents.
Is Trump really going to pardon Martha Stewart and Blagojevich, or is that fake news? Although I could see him doing it just to troll people.
edit: I see already people have been trolled, I mean triggered.
posted by gutIs Trump really going to pardon Martha Stewart and Blagojevich, or is that fake news? Although I could see him doing it just to troll people.
edit: I see already people have been trolled, I mean triggered.
He is pardoning D'Souza.
