Biden vs. Trump 2024

posted by geeblock

You are probably correct because I spent most of my life not voting because I have always believed both sides are corrupt. 

Nevertheless that doesn’t make me any less intelligent than you because I refuse to vote for Trump especially or even any R candidate given the current state of their party. They don’t align with my beliefs on abortion, gay marriage, corporate tax breaks, Health Care and I could go on. I’m sorry u can’t comprehend that. Im also sorry the R's cant come up with a better candidate.

You on the other hand will continue to try to sound smarter than everyone by chiming in with people who will never see a ticket and how u love their ideas, then go even further and talk about how you are going to write in your favorite candidate. 

Then when the  election comes you are going to vote for Trump because at the end of the day there are only two choices. I don’t make the rules. So  for once just shut the f uk up and don’t be a smug pretentious ass. 

I didn’t say you were less intelligent.

I said few on here just tow the party line on either side other than QO and you. 

You literally just admitted I was right, that you tow the party line yet still call me an asshole.

You said I pretend to be in the middle yet I have actually voted both sides during POTUS and fully admit I vote opposite ticket on senate/house vs potus.

Thats the opposite of pretending, that’s doing.

You just ranted for a few paragraphs admitting I was right but an asshole, sure if that makes you feel better .

posted by jmog

I didn’t say you were less intelligent.

I said few on here just tow the party line on either side other than QO and you. 

You literally just admitted I was right, that you tow the party line yet still call me an asshole.

You said I pretend to be in the middle yet I have actually voted both sides during POTUS and fully admit I vote opposite ticket on senate/house vs potus.

Thats the opposite of pretending, that’s doing.

You just ranted for a few paragraphs admitting I was right but an asshole, sure if that makes you feel better .

I literally gave reasons why I was voting that way THIS year. If things change and n 4 years I will evaluate as I do every time I have voted. As I have stated many times both sides are trash and I have not voted most of my life because of that belief. 

I think it’s the “tow the line” narrative I don’t like that somehow you are making a a smart choice based on your values and I’m being controlled by dark Brandon or something 

I think that by now everybody should be able to readily admit that Republicans and Democrats (parties) are both corrupt. Maybe eight good people in totality. 

The Dems have been making moves to corrupt and ruin what they claim is "our democracy" under the guise of saving democracy. But they've had plenty of help doing this from a large number of Republicans. 

Whatever peoples ideals are of either party are outdated AF and that's what the establishment wants. 

There ARE other ways of voting outside of the duopoly and to say there isn't is just as outdated. Nobody's vote is getting tossed away. In fact, the more people who write in, vote for the green party, libertarian, etc. the better. It's high time people shake and rattle both parties by not voting for either. Let them take notice, even if it takes several cycles and force them to act upon the disfavor that the votes are showing them.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I think that by now everybody should be able to readily admit that Republicans and Democrats (parties) are both corrupt. Maybe eight good people in totality. 

The Dems have been making moves to corrupt and ruin what they claim is "our democracy" under the guise of saving democracy. But they've had plenty of help doing this from a large number of Republicans. 

Whatever peoples ideals are of either party are outdated AF and that's what the establishment wants. 

There ARE other ways of voting outside of the duopoly and to say there isn't is just as outdated. Nobody's vote is getting tossed away. In fact, the more people who write in, vote for the green party, libertarian, etc. the better. It's high time people shake and rattle both parties by not voting for either. Let them take notice, even if it takes several cycles and force them to act upon the disfavor that the votes are showing them.

Its possible I suppose, but improbable in my lifetime would be my guess 

O/U on how many times jmog and geeblock together use the word "literally" during their upcoming argument: 25

I’m not doing another jmog argument so 0 for me lol 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I think that by now everybody should be able to readily admit that Republicans and Democrats (parties) are both corrupt. Maybe eight good people in totality. 

The Dems have been making moves to corrupt and ruin what they claim is "our democracy" under the guise of saving democracy. But they've had plenty of help doing this from a large number of Republicans. 

Whatever peoples ideals are of either party are outdated AF and that's what the establishment wants. 

There ARE other ways of voting outside of the duopoly and to say there isn't is just as outdated. Nobody's vote is getting tossed away. In fact, the more people who write in, vote for the green party, libertarian, etc. the better. It's high time people shake and rattle both parties by not voting for either. Let them take notice, even if it takes several cycles and force them to act upon the disfavor that the votes are showing them.

What's the definition of insanity? You can try and vote third party or write in, but it is wasting a vote. People trying to push something outside the two parties is insane. 

American was, is, and will continue to be a two party system. 

Teddy is the closest we came to a new party, and that led to Woodrow Wilson. Even Perot didn't crack 20%.

Thinking that some green party or libertarian candidate will win any major office is a fantasy. 

The only way to change is to change within the existing two party system. If there was ever a year for third party, it is this year and guess what...they are all failing badly. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

What's the definition of insanity? You can try and vote third party or write in, but it is wasting a vote. People trying to push something outside the two parties is insane. 

American was, is, and will continue to be a two party system. 

Teddy is the closest we came to a new party, and that led to Woodrow Wilson. Even Perot didn't crack 20%.

Thinking that some green party or libertarian candidate will win any major office is a fantasy. 

The only way to change is to change within the existing two party system. If there was ever a year for third party, it is this year and guess what...they are all failing badly. 

By all means, if you are content or comfortable being stuck in that rut, more power to you. 

posted by geeblock

I literally gave reasons why I was voting that way THIS year. If things change and n 4 years I will evaluate as I do every time I have voted. As I have stated many times both sides are trash and I have not voted most of my life because of that belief. 

I think it’s the “tow the line” narrative I don’t like that somehow you are making a a smart choice based on your values and I’m being controlled by dark Brandon or something 

Your whole last paragraph was made up in your brain and never said or typed.

posted by jmog

Your whole last paragraph was made up in your brain and never said or typed.

Putting me in a category with QO was not  a compliment. No offense QO. 😂

posted by CenterBHSFan

By all means, if you are content or comfortable being stuck in that rut, more power to you. 

American history is changed by grassroots efforts within the two party system. It is not from some mythical third party or write in candidates. But, keep wasting your time. 

Want change? Work within the two party system. Look at Trump. He has completely changed the Republican party, from within. 

posted by geeblock

Putting me in a category with QO was not  a compliment. No offense QO. 😂

So you believe I said you weren’t intelligent, then do basically that to QO? Well that’s interesting I guess.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

American history is changed by grassroots efforts within the two party system. It is not from some mythical third party or write in candidates. But, keep wasting your time. 

Want change? Work within the two party system. Look at Trump. He has completely changed the Republican party, from within. 

Ptown isn’t wrong. The only time in the last 112 years a non-D or R got more than 10% was Perot.

So once in well over 100 years did anyone not an R or D even get more than 10%.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

American history is changed by grassroots efforts within the two party system. It is not from some mythical third party or write in candidates. But, keep wasting your time. 

Want change? Work within the two party system. Look at Trump. He has completely changed the Republican party, from within. 

Ptown isn’t wrong. The only time in the last 112 years a non-D or R got more than 10% was Perot.

So once in well over 100 years did anyone not an R or D even get more than 10%.

This Supreme Court ruling in Arizona based upon a law supposedly from 1864 when Arizona was not even a state is a prime reason the gop will lose Arizona and this election. 

I used to not vote because I truly thought it didn’t matter. I never imagined they would try to fight roe vs wade. Now it looks like they want to go after IVF and regular forms of contraception? 

I’m all for less govt, not more govt. we don’t need more laws 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

American history is changed by grassroots efforts within the two party system. It is not from some mythical third party or write in candidates. But, keep wasting your time. 

Want change? Work within the two party system. Look at Trump. He has completely changed the Republican party, from within. 

I think it's pretty obvious to everyone, and I mean everyone, that any criticisms, any unorthodox suggestions, any alternative viewpoints/suggestions gets people labeled;

- racist

- sexist

- whatever "phobe" is popular

- right winger

- conservative

The list can go on and on, but those are the most prevalent names people get called when they say anything. It happens in DC, medias and even here. Like I said before the Dems aren't red-pilling anybody - but they've got people licking those pills to see what they taste like. That is why I think the best thing people can do is to just leave Republicans and Democrats alone. Fuck'em. Go somewhere else. I did and I think that, not only am I happier to not buy into them, but it gives people like me much more freedom to build with other tools. 

posted by geeblock

This Supreme Court ruling in Arizona based upon a law supposedly from 1864 when Arizona was not even a state is a prime reason the gop will lose Arizona and this election. 

I used to not vote because I truly thought it didn’t matter. I never imagined they would try to fight roe vs wade. Now it looks like they want to go after IVF and regular forms of contraception? 

I’m all for less govt, not more govt. we don’t need more laws 

Did you actually read the decision or just go off what people said?

The Supreme Court ruling stated that the new law from 2022, which enacted a ban passed 15 weeks except in case of life/death of mother, didn't have the proper language to overthrow the 1864 law. They basically said the legislature needs to write the law better and/or merge the 2.

They didn't say they agree with the 1864 law, they said the new one doesn't have the proper language to repeal the 1864 law.  

This is a legislature problem is what they are saying, that is all. No one said "yeah, lets put all abortion doctors in jail". 

The language will be fixed and the 2022 law will be the law for Arizona eventually.

And what's this about IVF? The Rs in Congress have stated they are for IVF but are divided on what the right way the government should protect it. They aren't trying to end IVF or other forms of contraceptives. That hasn't been on anyone's radar that I am aware of, but please provide a link.

posted by jmog

Did you actually read the decision or just go off what people said?

The Supreme Court ruling stated that the new law from 2022, which enacted a ban passed 15 weeks except in case of life/death of mother, didn't have the proper language to overthrow the 1864 law. They basically said the legislature needs to write the law better and/or merge the 2.

They didn't say they agree with the 1864 law, they said the new one doesn't have the proper language to repeal the 1864 law.  

This is a legislature problem is what they are saying, that is all. No one said "yeah, lets put all abortion doctors in jail". 

The language will be fixed and the 2022 law will be the law for Arizona eventually.

And what's this about IVF? The Rs in Congress have stated they are for IVF but are divided on what the right way the government should protect it. They aren't trying to end IVF or other forms of contraceptives. That hasn't been on anyone's radar that I am aware of, but please provide a link.

IVF is currently off the table in Alabama as far as i know?

The Right to contraception act is being targeted in Virginia.

I dont have time today to find links for you and I could care less to argue about it.

posted by geeblock

IVF is currently off the table in Alabama as far as i know?

The Right to contraception act is being targeted in Virginia.

I dont have time today to find links for you and I could care less to argue about it.

IVF is not off the table in Alabama, that was headline fodder. People being allowed to sue over embryos lost in a fire for liability is not the same as Rs going after IVF. That is a civil matter and should be covered under liability insurance and/or contracts between the facility and the clients.

Someone sued an IVF clinic for destroyed embryos, then Alabama, one of the most conservative states in the country, passed and signed a new law protecting IVF clinics from future criminal and civil suits.

It was passed by a R controlled state house and senate and signed by an R governor.

I mean you say you hate the phrase "tow the line" but then you say something like "Rs are going after IVF and its off the table in Alabama", when in fact Rs in Alabama passed legislation protecting IVF facilities from future criminal and civil legal issues, its like you just regurgitate what MSNBC told you to believe a month ago and never followed up to see what really is going on in that particular topic. 

The SCOTUS has already ruled on right to contraceptives in Griswold vs Conn (1965) and Eisenstadt v Baird (1972) so no one is going after contraceptives. The Virginia law that was passed by its legislature went a step further from giving people the right to access contraceptives, as everyone in the US currently has, and the governor amended it and sent it back to be closer to what the SCOTUS already ruled on (you know, you can have access but you can't force others to have to pay for it if it goes against their religion).

Everyone in the US has a right to contraceptives, 60 years of Supreme Court precedent would have to be overturned to change that. Making other people pay for your contraceptives is what many of the Rs are fighting against. I don't know anyone that has said "make the pill illegal".

I understand you don't want to provide links because reading passed the "gotcha" headline usually doesn't bode well for you, kind of like the Arizona Supreme Court and Alabama IVF topics.

That sounds like the opposite of "Rs going after IVF", but once someone reads past the MSNBC "gotcha" headline facts come into play

posted by jmog

IVF is not off the table in Alabama, that was headline fodder. People being allowed to sue over embryos lost in a fire for liability is not the same as Rs going after IVF. That is a civil matter and should be covered under liability insurance and/or contracts between the facility and the clients.

Someone sued an IVF clinic for destroyed embryos, then Alabama, one of the most conservative states in the country, passed and signed a new law protecting IVF clinics from future criminal and civil suits.

It was passed by a R controlled state house and senate and signed by an R governor.

I mean you say you hate the phrase "tow the line" but then you say something like "Rs are going after IVF and its off the table in Alabama", when in fact Rs in Alabama passed legislation protecting IVF facilities from future criminal and civil legal issues, its like you just regurgitate what MSNBC told you to believe a month ago and never followed up to see what really is going on in that particular topic. 

The SCOTUS has already ruled on right to contraceptives in Griswold vs Conn (1965) and Eisenstadt v Baird (1972) so no one is going after contraceptives. The Virginia law that was passed by its legislature went a step further from giving people the right to access contraceptives, as everyone in the US currently has, and the governor amended it and sent it back to be closer to what the SCOTUS already ruled on (you know, you can have access but you can't force others to have to pay for it if it goes against their religion).

Everyone in the US has a right to contraceptives, 60 years of Supreme Court precedent would have to be overturned to change that. Making other people pay for your contraceptives is what many of the Rs are fighting against. I don't know anyone that has said "make the pill illegal".

I understand you don't want to provide links because reading passed the "gotcha" headline usually doesn't bode well for you, kind of like the Arizona Supreme Court and Alabama IVF topics.

That sounds like the opposite of "Rs going after IVF", but once someone reads past the MSNBC "gotcha" headline facts come into play

Huh?  The court ruled that the embryos were actual children, so that means that the clinic would be possibly responsible for thousands of Murders if something would happen to the embryos in their clinics which effectively closed clinics in Alabama. yes they fixed it after outcry.

In Virginia, as they passed their contraception bill on I think 4/8 they changed a few things at the last minute leaving the door open to effectively limit its effectiveness later.  

He gutted Virginia’s bipartisan Right to Contraception Act by: 1. Converting it from a legal mandate to a mere suggestion 2. Removing the definition of contraception so that he can enforce it anyway he wants 3. Making the whole act time limited

You said the same thing when we were discussing roe vs. wade and yet here we are.

I havent read all of the opinions but if it was 4-2 then it was probably not something that had to be done in arizona.  When I brought up Arizona it wasn't necessarily about the court and their ruling, but rather the group that brought the court case, which I assume is GOP. It literally makes it worse because they make a legal move to subvert the will of the voters in their state which already have decided through voting or their elected representatives to come up with a more moderate abortion law.

In totality my point stands, that in an election year this is a terrible strategy and optics that is going to cost them states and possibly the election.