2020 Presidential Election thread

Bernie should screw all of them by running as an idependent or forms another party.  Gets trump reelected and likely makes Democrats 3rd party in a 3 party race. 

posted by gut

I'm most interested to see how many votes $500M buys Bloomberg.

After watching the Fox "townhall" with Bloomberg he is clearly banking on a brokered convention.  He is looking to buy as much leverage as he can in that process.

Kloubechar talking at Biden rally is fake as crap.

Total railroad job by DNC to get her out.

posted by gut

Warren appears committed to the bitter end.  I'm not sure what her strategy or endgame is in a brokered convention.  But I wonder if party power brokers are propping her up to take some of Bernie's support

Political power. She is hedging her bet that staying the race through super tuesday yields her a more valuable political broker.  

posted by gut

 

I don't think people turnout to vote against someone.  

As of right now, that is exactly what I intend to do. 
 

#gettingclothespinready

I’m going to the primary and declaring Democrat. I’ve been a registered GOP since 1976, however I am currently taking the status of Independent. 
 

I just read an article about Biden choosing Obama as his running mate and the constitutionality of it. 
 

Of course, we all know that a person can’t be an ELECTED president more than two terms. But if Biden would happen to choose Obama, even if the courts would rule that he could not be president if something were to happen, it would be an interesting ticket. And maybe a winner. 
 

I’m guessing that it would be ruled, in case something happened, that the next in line for succession.........Speaker of the House. 😎

posted by BRF

I just read an article about Biden choosing Obama as his running mate and the constitutionality of it.

Very interesting.  I'm only partially joking when I say Biden could end-up being ruled incompetent.  He looks like he's slipping, and sometimes the decline can be pretty rapid.  But he's probably convinced himself he's the only one who can beat Trump, and once he gets elected he can resign.

Another interesting thing is Buttigieg spoke with Obama, supposedly after he dropped out of the race.  It's assumed the purpose was to encourage him to endorse Biden.  Just seems a little odd considering Obama has yet to endorse Biden himself.  If Obama really thinks Bernie is bad for the party and country, then he should show some leadership and guts and get behind Joe.

posted by gut

If Obama really thinks that Bernie is bad for the party and country, then he should show some leadership and guts and get behind Joe.

 

Yes. 

posted by gut

And Bernie is running around saying the "establishment" is conspiring to stop him.  That's going to be super for party unity!

It doesn't seemed that far fetched. Buttigieg was in the top 3 it seemed like and still dropped out. And then they brought fucking O'Rourke out of the woodwork yesterday to show support for Biden. It seems like a total DNC effort to keep Bernie from winning. 

posted by iclfan2

It doesn't seemed that far fetched. Buttigieg was in the top 3 it seemed like and still dropped out. And then they brought fucking O'Rourke out of the woodwork yesterday to show support for Biden. It seems like a total DNC effort to keep Bernie from winning. 

Of course it is lol. 

It will split the party right in half again too. They've essentially conceded to Trump.

posted by kizer permanente

Of course it is lol. 

It will split the party right in half again too. They've essentially conceded to Trump.

Basically could see it coming from miles away. From the "gotta get Trump out" message of 2017 to the "no no nononononono, it can't be you, it has to be US!!!" message that both sides of the Ds are giving each other". The advent of the uber-progressive movement perfectly played into Trump's hands, setting up a situation where, regardless of who gets the nominations, the party likely will be splintered and a significant section of it will come into the general election with apathy.

posted by Heretic

Basically could see it coming from miles away. From the "gotta get Trump out" message of 2017 to the "no no nononononono, it can't be you, it has to be US!!!" message that both sides of the Ds are giving each other". The advent of the uber-progressive movement perfectly played into Trump's hands, setting up a situation where, regardless of who gets the nominations, the party likely will be splintered and a significant section of it will come into the general election with apathy.

"Vote blue, no matter who ... except don't let it be that guy."

It really is quite fascinating.  I thought this kind of fracturing was going to happen in about 2012 with the Tea Party movement, but the RNC just kind of absorbed that back into itself.  I'm curious to see where these DNC factions go after this election.

DNC: We love Progressives! ...vote for us in midterms... gtfooh in Presidential elections. 

posted by O-Trap

...I thought this kind of fracturing was going to happen in about 2012 with the Tea Party movement, but the RNC just kind of absorbed that back into itself. 

It got hijacked by the religious right.  Unfortunately for the party of atheism, that isn't really an option.

If you look at other countries, they all have an uber-progressive/liberal party.  So it may be inevitable.

posted by O-Trap

"Vote blue, no matter who ... except don't let it be that guy."

It really is quite fascinating.  I thought this kind of fracturing was going to happen in about 2012 with the Tea Party movement, but the RNC just kind of absorbed that back into itself.  I'm curious to see where these DNC factions go after this election.

In some ways, the Tea Party movement absorbed the Republican party. The traditional Rockefeller GHW Bush Republican is no longer a factor in the party. The vocal far right wing/Evangelical be let c is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation. Trump was not a new angle. He really exemplified this movement in the extreme. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

In some ways, the Tea Party movement absorbed the Republican party. The traditional Rockefeller GHW Bush Republican is no longer a factor in the party. The vocal far right wing/Evangelical be let c is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation. Trump was not a new angle. He really exemplified this movement in the extreme. 

Seems that the same is happening in the DNC.....the more moderate, centrist Dems are being absorbed into the new, Socialist party.  The traditional JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton Democrat is no longer a factor in the party.  The vocal far left wing Socialist Democrat is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation.

posted by O-Trap

"Vote blue, no matter who ... except don't let it be that guy."

It really is quite fascinating.  I thought this kind of fracturing was going to happen in about 2012 with the Tea Party movement, but the RNC just kind of absorbed that back into itself.  I'm curious to see where these DNC factions go after this election.

So will I. Especially with how it looks that, to some degree, the DNC forces are very not in favor of Bernie winning, especially with how two secondary contenders who'd be siphoning votes from Biden (or Bloomberg) abruptly ceasing operations shortly before the biggest day of the primary season. I get the idea that the hierarchy is REALLY trying to push one of the less progressive candidates in front of everyone else under the assumption that the progs will get in line with the person who isn't Trump when the general election comes around.

Which is all well and good...except for how I've noticed from things like social media that the average progressive voice comes off as having the same attitude as Quaker, where you're either in lockstep with them or you're part of the problem/enemy. They feel the establishment shut down Bernie (again) and I can see a lot of them taking the "you want it your way, then show how viable your candidate is with us sitting out" attitude.

posted by wkfan

Seems that the same is happening in the DNC.....the more moderate, centrist Dems are being absorbed into the new, Socialist party.  The traditional JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton Democrat is no longer a factor in the party.  The vocal far left wing Socialist Democrat is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation.

 

Very true

Bloomberg and Warren drop out after today, and then Tulsi Gabbard will be like "hey, over here, remember me?  I'm still running...."

posted by wkfan

Seems that the same is happening in the DNC.....the more moderate, centrist Dems are being absorbed into the new, Socialist party.  The traditional JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton Democrat is no longer a factor in the party.  The vocal far left wing Socialist Democrat is firmly in control and tolerates no deviation.

 

except the DNC still very much has control and lets the moderate win? 

posted by kizer permanente

except the DNC still very much has control and lets the moderate win? 

Guess we'll have to see...so far the leaders are Bernie, AOC (I know she isn't running for President, but she is clearly a party leader) ...with Biden and Bloomberg trailing (Warren, too) and the rest have all left (Klobuchar, Mayor Pete, etc.)