iclfan2 wrote:
Pulisic can’t just make the other guys magically be better. Pepi is not a great striker. The game was meaningless which is why only one or two starters started the game. I’m not understanding your other question though. If you look at the NFL, the backups are mostly trash too. We have 12-13 good players and then a talent drop off, as with most teams.
Not if you combined all the teams? Are the USA backups not the same as a 2nd team all-pro?
Lol wut?
Norway also sat their starters today, France did not.
There are 32 NFL teams….if you put together a USA football team I cant see a big drop off.
Ironman92 wrote:There are 32 NFL teams….if you put together a USA football team I cant see a big drop off.
Think of our starters (and a couple subs) as good enough to play with anyone in the world and our backups are basically the MLS all stars.
I’ve noticed US pundits are trying hard to relate to the not so common fan regarding the WC. Cowherd has been doing a great job.
Today he said, our playoff seed was locked in and it’s week 17 of the NFL and we sat the 1st team.
It’s not like entire team fell off a cliff when playing the B squad. The attacking and effort was solid. We also scored the most goals in the group stage EVER.
It Pulisic hits that lefty, this convo doesn’t even happen and we are puffing our chest with 9 points.
I wonder how our youth, high school and even collegiate coaching is compared to around the world?
Soccer is continually growing in the U.S. but is our hunger talent pool going more into football, basketball etc? My tiny area of the world soccer is getting more and more of those athletes that they never got…..but the coaching knowledge is few and far between. The smaller countries that will be favored over us, soccer is where their top athletes go? Better coaching from a young age and throughout.
Maybe USA makes a great run to the semifinals.
You soccer guys….is the USA catching the world leaders in soccer? Are we gaining ground in the game itself?
Ironman92 wrote:I wonder how our youth, high school and even collegiate coaching is compared to around the world?
Soccer is continually growing in the U.S. but is our hunger talent pool going more into football, basketball etc? My tiny area of the world soccer is getting more and more of those athletes that they never got…..but the coaching knowledge is few and far between. The smaller countries that will be favored over us, soccer is where their top athletes go? Better coaching from a young age and throughout.
Maybe USA makes a great run to the semifinals.
You soccer guys….is the USA catching the world leaders in soccer? Are we gaining ground in the game itself?
The coaching is horrendous compared to Europe.
The biggest problem with US Youth Soccer is the pay to play model. Most clubs are expensive 3-5k a season then uniforms, travel, hotels, and miscellaneous expenses are to much for most families.
Then you have clubs that have an and b teams and basically use the b team to make more money.
Even scouting for college is pretty bad. The don’t have much money so they only go to a few tournaments or see kids at their camps. When I was recruited I literally had Rutgers and then some local D3 schools.
sportchampps wrote:
The coaching is horrendous compared to Europe.
The biggest problem with US Youth Soccer is the pay to play model. Most clubs are expensive 3-5k a season then uniforms, travel, hotels, and miscellaneous expenses are to much for most families.
Then you have clubs that have an and b teams and basically use the b team to make more money.
Even scouting for college is pretty bad. The don’t have much money so they only go to a few tournaments or see kids at their camps. When I was recruited I literally had Rutgers and then some local D3 schools.
Thank You
Here locally little NAIA University of Rio Grande was great when I was in college in the early/mid 90’s….1 player was from the United States. I was in many athletic classes with these guys and they were exceptional athletes. Very Impressive….they’ve been excellent for 30+ years now at the small college level. It’s a bit more American but still vast majority foreign.
My son at Pitt got to play some pep band at their soccer games, they were I think #1 in the nation for a minute and a top 8 team most of the year, foreign coach. Little Marshall…same with foreign coaches amuck.
Youth sports is a disaster with the club and travel for every sport…often a cash cow or to puff up the parents. Youth sports described the huge costs for the upper teams….so some of those may not have the best potential players but instead kids with prominent families.
My tiny school started soccer last year (as a varsity sport), we now have a 2 million turf field and several youth “state” championships. My school has 432 students and 175 are in the soccer program and I don’t think one person coaching has enough coaching knowledge to help kids ACTUALLY learn soccer. The soccer surge has killed the other fall sports and parents are nuts with it.
It’s crazy and to me sad.
I’ve coached cross country for 24 years….I was a big dummy for about the first 14 years. I began the sport with a D- knowledge but an A- knowledge of the kids I was coaching. I’ve always been good to my kids that I’ve coached and I’ve had 10 regional teams a state team and state champion distance runner…..but I wasn’t the key cog coaching and I damn sure recognized he and they needed knowledge beyond my level and we went and got it. I always told my XC runners that my coaching knowledge could get you yo about 18:15….in the last 10 years I feel I could coach collegiately with my knowledge….but these people coaching soccer that I’ve been around, nope, ain’t ever happening.
Need knowledgeable coaches at all levels. At least in our other American sports us dads played and have a solid understanding.
The model has changed a ton since I played. When I was in club we played in a local travel league, tournaments, and then National League. National League was 6 weekends in a row where you played 4 games. The teams in the National league were either state champions or runners up. If I remember correctly we played in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Georgia, and Iowa for National League.
Now there are MLS Next teams and ECNL Regional Teams that are the cream of the crop. These are the leagues that will produce D1 players. Even in those leagues the coaching is subpar compared to Europe where the Pro clubs have their own academy teams developing the youth.
Fun win by Canada
You guys seeing any upsets this round of 32?
As a non soccer fan…someone explain to me like I’m 5.
What chances do the USMNT have to win it all?
Is it like the Browns winning the SB odds or like a 7 seed NFL playoff team winning it all?
jmog wrote:As a non soccer fan…someone explain to me like I’m 5.
What chances do the USMNT have to win it all?
Is it like the Browns winning the SB odds or like a 7 seed NFL playoff team winning it all?
Like the Browns
jmog wrote:As a non soccer fan…someone explain to me like I’m 5.
What chances do the USMNT have to win it all?
Is it like the Browns winning the SB odds or like a 7 seed NFL playoff team winning it all?
5% I think we will be favorites in every match until the quarterfinals. Once we reach the quarterfinals if chalk plays out I would rank us 8th out of the 8 teams.
I would guess a midpoint between the 2
To answer the question from before about our b squad still being all pro.
Your logic is based on “US” sports. France basketball can play with anyone in the world. Maybe even win Gold in a few yrs. But their B-squad would get bounced by Tanzania (exaggeration, but point stands).
Same with us soccer. Our top-15 can compete with anyone. We will lose 8-9/10 to the top teams, but can compete and look competent. Take our next 15, and we get rolled. Where you could take 85-100 in Spain. France, Brazil, etc and probably still be competitive in a global sense. We just aren’t at that level — but getting there.
As for the why, us system as a whole sucks. We are getting better with young kids going to academies over college, ODP., etc. when I was growing up, it was travel and then Olympic development. Both options largely sucked and I felt even as a 14 yr old I knew more than the coach. No tactics being taught. No adapting to opponents. No technical skills being worked on. It was so bad.
I basically recruited myself to a few D3 schools, and Xavier. My stats along got me 11 D2/3 offers, and a few tapes got me a Xavier offer. I went to Indiana to try and walk on, and almost made it. But my God, the amount of talent that probably goes unnoticed in this country has to be staggering.
Laley23 wrote:As for the why, us system as a whole sucks. We are getting better with young kids going to academies over college, ODP., etc. when I was growing up, it was travel and then Olympic development. Both options largely sucked and I felt even as a 14 yr old I knew more than the coach. No tactics being taught. No adapting to opponents. No technical skills being worked on. It was so bad.
I basically recruited myself to a few D3 schools, and Xavier. My stats along got me 11 D2/3 offers, and a few tapes got me a Xavier offer. I went to Indiana to try and walk on, and almost made it. But my God, the amount of talent that probably goes unnoticed in this country has to be staggering.
100% when I was thinking about playing at a D3 school I visited and attended a practice and it was like watching the bad news bears. I could have literally called friends of mine and had put together a better team in my backyard.
Laley what club did you play for?
sportchampps wrote:
100% when I was thinking about playing at a D3 school I visited and attended a practice and it was like watching the bad news bears. I could have literally called friends of mine and had put together a better team in my backyard.
Laley what club did you play for?
Toledo Celtic. Lee Aliakbar was my coach for like 6 or 7 years from about 8 yrs old to 15). He was probably the best coach and soccer mind I have been around growing up.
Then he passed us on to focus on his own kids and being their coach (they were 2 and 4 yrs behind). The new coach was bad, but it was only for 2 years before high school started.
Wow, but upset Paraguay over Deutschland! Had a goal overturned in extra time bc of a foul on the goalie. Then missed 3 of their pks (went to 6 bc Paraguay missed 4 and 5 for the win).
Brazil and Japan was exciting too, with Brazil winning in the 90 some minute.
iclfan2 wrote:Wow, but upset Paraguay over Deutschland! Had a goal overturned in extra time bc of a foul on the goalie. Then missed 3 of their pks (went to 6 bc Paraguay missed 4 and 5 for the win).
Brazil and Japan was exciting too, with Brazil winning in the 90 some minute.
Had 2 nice future parlays killed by Ger
Such great games yoday
Can’t imagine the games are as good today
iclfan2 wrote:Wow, but upset Paraguay over Deutschland! Had a goal overturned in extra time bc of a foul on the goalie. Then missed 3 of their pks (went to 6 bc Paraguay missed 4 and 5 for the win).
Brazil and Japan was exciting too, with Brazil winning in the 90 some minute.
