LOCKED: George Floyd

A buddy of mine was arrested in Cincinnati. He did essentially the same thing that old guy in Buffalo did, he approached a group of police officers when it was seemingly obvious that is not what should be happening at the time.

In no way should the Buffalo officers be justified in doing what they did, but how in the world does someone approach officers in that situation? The reverse angle of it from across the street makes it even more obvious the police were in a formation for some action. It makes zero sense to approach an officer there. Just like my buddy in Cincinnati (who was a media member), they were shutting it down for the curfew, why walk across the street INTO a group of 6+ officers? Yes, you were going to meet up with the rest of your media crew, so walk around the officers OR wait until they've passed then cross over to meet up. Media is exempt from the curfew, but no one knows your media because you have something dangling off your neck, a facemask on, and a small little logo on your polo. There's so much going on that no one will notice or care what you are wearing and cannot identify who you are.

posted by friendfromlowry

Unfortunately, I agree with this to an extent. Did they need to rough up an old man? No, probably not. And trying to lie about it made it even worse. But you just don't know. All the time cops respond to the most routine shit and end up hurt/shot/killed. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of cops want to handle things safely and peacefully, but they also don't want to be too lax and end up stabbed or shot by some lunatic. 

2 things:

They didnt "rough him up"....pushed (and it wasnt even a good push)

Also, you are right, the NY cop stabbed in the neck...the guy just casually walked up to him like he wasnt going to do anything.

posted by Spock

2 things:

They didnt "rough him up"....pushed (and it wasnt even a good push)

Also, you are right, the NY cop stabbed in the neck...the guy just casually walked up to him like he wasnt going to do anything.

What if I posted a Breitbart article stating he was roughed up? Would your head explode?

posted by BR1986FB

Good lord, Jim Brown has come out saying he'd never kneel and desecrate the flag. It was a while ago but I haven't seen him backtrack on it recently.

Oh fuck that and everyone who thinks it’s disrespectful to the flag. I watched that asshole give an interview through the entire anthem once. I also watched him wheel his ass to the TV trucks during it so he didn’t have to remove his hat and could keep talking/eating through it. 

posted by BR1986FB

I know it's cliche but they are more times than not in a "no win" situation.

I'm sure a lot of all this stems from bad cops having bad days, especially bad cops who get off on roughing people up.  We all know people that liked to fight in their 20's and 30's (some never grow out of it).  You just KNOW a few of these cops in the riots are all hopped up to crack some skulls.  I mean, does anyone think the guy that took a tear gas cannister to the face was an accident?!?

It's a thankless job.  The one cop in MN who has been charged was on the job for FOUR days, and I think that's the one who said to let him up.  Talk about being in an impossible situation.  Hopefully the DA gives him a light plea simply for testifying to what happened.

posted by Al Bundy

Here are Jim Brown's thoughts in 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2018/10/11/jim-brown-protests-kneeling-national-anthem

And, ironically, I think Jim Brown does a hell of a lot more than many of these virtue-signaling athletes.  Not including Kaepernick in that, who by all accounts is a real activist.

posted by Fab4Runner

Cops keep doing this shit knowing it's being recorded. What do they do when no one is there to film? What else do they lie about? Something to ponder. 

That's a good question.  But here's something to consider - doctors make mistakes that kill people every day, and they almost never go to jail (only if criminal gross negligence can be proven).  I would guess most good cops make a few errors in judgement, maybe even a few cases of unnecessary use of force. 

I think we can probably differentiate between the MN cop who clearly was grossly negligent in doing his job, vs. that BUF cop who maybe shouldn't have pushed that guy, or shouldn't have pushed him that hard, but wasn't necessarily out of line.

The standard of gross negligence never enters into the conversation about cops.  The rookie charged in MN I'm not sure even deserves a mark on his file, but I say that without all the officer accounts and body cam footage.

posted by gut

And, ironically, I think Jim Brown does a hell of a lot more than many of these virtue-signaling athletes.  Not including Kaepernick in that, who by all accounts is a real activist.

Ironically the people virtue signaling about the flag even tho its an Anthem protest don’t so shit for vets 🤷‍♂️

posted by geeblock

Ironically the people virtue signaling about the flag even tho its an Anthem protest don’t so shit for vets 🤷‍♂️

Aside from the millions of people who, you know, actually served.

posted by gut

Aside from the millions of people who, you know, actually served.

Plenty of people upset who never served are  virtue signalers as you put it. You do realize that your own post of sharing your values through social media is also virtue signaling? 

https://m.tiktok.com/v/6833365376949046534.html?u_code=dcd4k42m7gmlid&preview_pb=0&language=en&_d=dcd4k5b51lfi0m&share_item_id=6833365376949046534×tamp=1591315316&utm_campaign=client_share&app=musically&utm_medium=ios&user_id=6828036777669477381&tt_from=messenger&utm_source=messenger

posted by gut

And, ironically, I think Jim Brown does a hell of a lot more than many of these virtue-signaling athletes.  Not including Kaepernick in that, who by all accounts is a real activist.

How do you know what they do? What does Jim brown do? If they take a picture and post it you will say well they did it for publicity, if they do it behind the scenes then you accuse them of doing nothing. You are just making up shit off the top of your head because you agree with jim brown lol 

posted by sportchampps

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This crap has to stop.  These local and state officials are pussies 

This goes back to the "blasting" that I hate on social media.

LA Galaxy player Aleksander Katai's wife had some very inappropriate social media posts, so what happens? Katai is released by the Galaxy. A person can lose his/her job because of their spouse? Not that it is justified at all, but Katai and wife are Serbian.

Absurd.

posted by geeblock

How do you know what they do? What does Jim brown do? If they take a picture and post it you will say well they did it for publicity, if they do it behind the scenes then you accuse them of doing nothing. You are just making up shit off the top of your head because you agree with jim brown lol 

Stop being an idiot and putting words in my mouth.  And are you being deliberately obtuse to maintain your status as a politard, or do you actually not know, much less too lazy to google, Jim Brown's history of activism?  Or is it that you, like others, view him as an Uncle Tom because he became a Republican? 

"Jim Brown would continue his activism; which included being heavily involved in the Stop the Violence movement of the late 80s and early 90s, being involved in an L.A. gang truce that was moderately successful and educating inner city children to the powerful potential that lay within them" (http://www.amer-i-can.org/about/about.html).

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jim-brown-john-lewis-donald-trump-activist-athlete-days-are-over-muhammad-ali-summit/17zm6as4ogkyw1hjhd87fkqprr

" If Jim Brown is not on the Mount Rushmore of social, political and civil-rights activism by athletes in our time (up there with, at least, Muhammad Ali, Tommie Smith and John Carlos), he’s on the short list waiting for a vacancy. "

posted by gut

Stop being an idiot and putting words in my mouth.  And are you being deliberately obtuse to maintain your status as a politard, or do you actually not know, much less too lazy to google, Jim Brown's history of activism?  Or is it that you, like others, view him as an Uncle Tom because he became a Republican? 

Jim Brown would continue his activism; which included being heavily involved in the Stop the Violence movement of the late 80s and early 90s, being involved in an L.A. gang truce that was moderately successful and educating inner city children to the powerful potential that lay within them (http://www.amer-i-can.org/about/about.html).

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jim-brown-john-lewis-donald-trump-activist-athlete-days-are-over-muhammad-ali-summit/17zm6as4ogkyw1hjhd87fkqprr

" If Jim Brown is not on the Mount Rushmore of social, political and civil-rights activism by athletes in our time (up there with, at least, Muhammad Ali, Tommie Smith and John Carlos), he’s on the short list waiting for a vacancy. "

 

He did a lot a long time ago that’s great. I was aware. I can’t think of anything he has done or said in  20 years off the top of my head. That’s why I said what does he do. Not what has he done. How was he received by people for his views in the civil rights movement? Kinda how you are treating the current players cause you disagree with them?  I actually didn’t know he was republican . 

posted by geeblock

Plenty of people upset who never served are  virtue signalers as you put it. You do realize that your own post of sharing your values through social media is also virtue signaling? 

First off, I passed no judgement.  I merely stated facts that refuted your perception.

Kaepernick knew damn well his protest would offend people - he's not dumb, it was deliberate to generate discussion and notoriety by being controversial.  He and others, then, should not be offended by people who disagree with him and/or his form of protest.

People have a right to counter-protest, and they are hardly all "virtue signalers".  Also, those millions of people who served have tens of millions of family members.  They have as much right to free speech as Kaepernick (and many agree with and support him).

People obviously choose to attach different meanings for themselves as to what the flag represents.  I think you'd agree it would be inappropriate, offensive and ineffective to protest how Islam treats women by desecrating the Koran.

The one thing I will say about Jim Brown, that points to a bit of hypocrisy, is that he's spouting off about country, etc yet he was one of the ones supporting Ali dodging Vietnam.

posted by gut

First off, I passed no judgement.  I merely stated facts that refuted your perception.

Kaepernick knew damn well his protest would offend people - he's not dumb, it was deliberate to generate discussion and notoriety by being controversial.  He and others, then, should not be offended by people who disagree with him and/or his form of protest.

People have a right to counter-protest, and they are hardly all "virtue signalers".  Also, those millions of people who served have tens of millions of family members.  They have as much right to free speech as Kaepernick.

People obviously choose to attach different meanings for themselves as to what the flag represents.  I think you'd agree it would be inappropriate, offensive and ineffective to protest how Islam treats women by desecrating the Koran.

You absolutely passed judgement on who is allowed to have an opinion and who is an actual activist and who does work in their community. People certainly have the right to attach whatever they want to the flag. It doesn’t Change the fact that it is an anthem protest and has nothing to do with the flag or military. But since you mention the military. First off, all military aren’t against the protest and secondly plenty of blacks fought in ww2 and Vietnam and had to come home to Jim Crow. It’s not surprising that for many people the flag doesn’t inspire warm feelings. 

posted by geeblock

You absolutely passed judgement on who is allowed to have an opinion and who is an actual activist and who does work in their community. People certainly have the right to attach whatever they want to the flag. It doesn’t Change the fact that it is an anthem protest and has nothing to do with the flag or military. But since you mention the military. First off, all military aren’t against the protest and secondly plenty of blacks fought in ww2 and Vietnam and had to come home to Jim Crow. It’s not surprising that for many people the flag doesn’t inspire warm feelings. 

I have no problem with anything you say.  I just don't understand why someone isn't allowed to believe differently than that without being crushed.  I hated it when Trump and others blasted Kapernick for his protest.  But the people who hated that are the same ones crucifying Drew Brees because he doesn't see it their way.  That's 1984 style groupthink.