Game of Thrones Final Season Discussion Thread

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  • Thu, Apr 25, 2019 12:04 AM

    So I got an invitation to a GoT death pool....

    Not sure how to play this.  Obviously Jon and Dany are going to survive.  And, I'd guess, Arya.  Torisbane or whatever his name is and Sir Tall Woman haven't been shipped yet....And, of course, the Hound has to go to Cleganebowl...

     

    Hmmm, maybe this isn't so tough afterall.  When you consider the above, Jaimie is one of the few that can die with an emotional impact.  And Sansa.  Reek is a clear goner.  Bran clearly has to survive.

     

    I think they take four minor players next episode - Grey Worm, Reek, Sir Jorah....and Jaimie is the headliner.

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 3:32 PM

    Help me out here....it's just who dies in the next episode for my death pool.

    What are the odds that the Night King has a backdoor into the Crypts, and slaughters everyone hiding out there?  Apparently, Bran the Builder focused all his efforts on building the Crypts, so it makes a stealth attack seem unlikely.  Except it would be a convenient way to kill off a bunch of minor players (and a few major ones).

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 3:38 PM
    posted by gut

    Help me out here....it's just who dies in the next episode for my death pool.

    What are the odds that the Night King has a backdoor into the Crypts, and slaughters everyone hiding out there?  Apparently, Bran the Builder focused all his efforts on building the Crypts, so it makes a stealth attack seem unlikely.  Except it would be a convenient way to kill off a bunch of minor players (and a few major ones).

    Would he even need to have a back door? Hardhome showed that he can raise the dead via proximity, so if he's just in the general Winterfell area, would that be close enough to raise the dead Starks as his soldiers?

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 4:01 PM

    What exactly is he raising? Ned Stark is the only one who would (possibly) even be bones. A pile of dust gonna take someone out? 

    I’d be more concerned with them being in closed quarters and being slaughtered without anyone to truly protect them. Not the dead Starks raising up. 

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 4:05 PM
    posted by Heretic

    Would he even need to have a back door? Hardhome showed that he can raise the dead via proximity, so if he's just in the general Winterfell area, would that be close enough to raise the dead Starks as his soldiers?

    Wow, that's a really good prediction.  I haven't read much on it, but apparently Jon had nightmares about the crypts.  With Tyrion and Samwell down there, with the foreshadowing about their fighting, it's a chance to give them heroic deaths. 

    This death pool is hard!  I have Mellisandre, for instance, who has foreseen her and Varys death in Westeros....so do I go all in on that, or rank her near the bottom since she's not there currently (another prediction I saw, which is interesting, is that she's coming with a bunch of Red Priestesses - and possibly Daario - to help swing the battle)?

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 4:13 PM
    posted by Laley23

    What exactly is he raising? Ned Stark is the only one who would (possibly) even be bones. A pile of dust gonna take someone out? 

    I’d be more concerned with them being in closed quarters and being slaughtered without anyone to truly protect them. Not the dead Starks raising up. 

    Also good points.  I think this is probably the key bet I have to make.  Unless we think they are all getting slaughtered regardless, I would otherwise assume they are safe.

    Although, you are 100% correct - if Team Dragon gets surrounded, or beaten into retreat, then the Night King goes right thru Winterfell.  Maybe I should assume everyone in the Crypts is going to die?

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 4:48 PM

    They took Rickon to the crypt. He is juicier than Ned. Ned's bones were cleaned and delivered to Caitlyn when she met with Renley.

    Bran had the encounter with re-animated skeletons in front of the 3ER cave.

    I'm not saying Ned is going to walk again but the wights were shown moving on the ceiling of the 3ER cave. Getting some Starks out of stone crypts won't be a problem if that's what the show is gonna do.

    I keep going back to Dany's line in the preview. "The dead are already here." 

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 4:58 PM
    posted by Laley23

    What exactly is he raising? Ned Stark is the only one who would (possibly) even be bones. A pile of dust gonna take someone out? 

    I’d be more concerned with them being in closed quarters and being slaughtered without anyone to truly protect them. Not the dead Starks raising up. 

    Possibly Catelyn and Robb, although those two may never have actually been returned to Winterfell after Red Wedding Fun Time. Although the show hasn't always lived by the "this logically should NOT happen" rule, so that may or may not matter.

    Catelyn would at least kinda, sorta appease the book fans pissed that Lady Stoneheart never appeared on the show.

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 5:01 PM

    Ya'll are getting crazy. Ned Stark's head was on a fucking spike the last we saw of him. He's not coming back.

    I'm updating my guaranteed death prediction to add Brienne. 

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 5:12 PM
    posted by Automatik

    I'm updating my guaranteed death prediction to add Brienne. 

    It's hard to argue any of this analysis: https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2019/4/22/18510814/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-2-sendoffs-character-deaths

    Plus, I've decided everyone in the crypts are toast.  Bran is a tough one, since he's making a last stand by the Weir Tree(?), which I think is encircled by walls....but I have a feeling he'll get airlifted by a dragon at the last minute.  Except his usefulness may have run it's course, both to the story and as a plot device.

    The Hound is interesting.  I feel like Cleganbowl is still coming, and he promised his brother he'd kill him at the end of last season.  But then there's a certain girl who may find the faces of The Hound and Jaime useful in completing her hit list (which still gives us a Cleganbowl, sort of).

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 7:38 PM

    Thu, Apr 25, 2019 8:56 PM

    I keep trying to think how this all plays out.  If they eliminate the Night King, how will they have anything left to defeat Cersei's armies?  But if the Night King wins, he adds to his army and becomes pretty much unstoppable?

    1) Arya assassinating Cersei seems just too easy and convenient.

    2) Interesting theory I saw was the Night King is actually going to take out King's Landing while Team Winterfell is distracted fighting [most of] his army.  Remember, Dany had a vision of the Iron Throne in cold, snowy ruins....Looking back, too many other hints to dismiss this idea.

    3) The Golden Company "has famously never broken a contract", which might balance the scales.  Otherwise, even with Dorne I don't think it would be enough.

     

    Some combination of all 3 would be fun.  The Golden Company suddenly switching sides would feel contrived.  But if they are already marching north, then they conveniently aren't wiped out by the Night King and provide needed reinforcements.

    Fri, Apr 26, 2019 12:12 AM

    The Night King wasn’t shown at the end of E2. My guess is he is in Kings Landing. Just a gut feeling.

    Fri, Apr 26, 2019 12:51 AM
    posted by Laley23

    The Night King wasn’t shown at the end of E2. My guess is he is in Kings Landing. Just a gut feeling.

    Sounds like you read the same analysis I did.

    I wouldn't normally put any stock in him being absent from the preview.  Except there's a whole bunch of other breadcrumbs/foreshadowing suggesting that's what happens.  And it's a logical path to conclusion - I said before the season it would seem anti-climatic if this ends with a war with Cersei.

    But one question - what exactly would a "withe" Mountain be?  He's kind of already dead....

    Fri, Apr 26, 2019 9:07 AM
    posted by gut

    I keep trying to think how this all plays out.  If they eliminate the Night King, how will they have anything left to defeat Cersei's armies?  If Dany still has Drogon she still has a weapon of mass destruction. She and whatever forces remain keep Cercie's forces occupied  while a small force, shown the way by Tyrion and/or Arya, sneaks into the Red Keep tasked with two things; taking out Cercie and any scorpions. If the Night King is still around can the Golden Company/Lannister Armies fight a two front war?  

    1) Arya assassinating Cersei seems just too easy and convenient.  See above

    2) Interesting theory I saw was the Night King is actually going to take out King's Landing while Team Winterfell is distracted fighting [most of] his army.  Remember, Dany had a vision of the Iron Throne in cold, snowy ruins....Looking back, too many other hints to dismiss this idea.            Right vision but wrong baby and wrong baby daddy?

    3) The Golden Company "has famously never broken a contract", which might balance the scales.  Otherwise, even with Dorne I don't think it would be enough. There is a first time for everything, If Cercie goes "Mad Queen" and threatens to burn the city and take out the Golden Company with it? If I was Jon Connington I'd put a sword thru her.

     

    Some combination of all 3 would be fun.  The Golden Company suddenly switching sides would feel contrived.  But if they are already marching north, then they conveniently aren't wiped out by the Night King and provide needed reinforcements.

     

    Fri, Apr 26, 2019 9:28 AM

    Potential Episode 3 titles. Some serious and some in jest.

    The Great War, War(or Battle) of Ice and Fire, The Long Night, War(or Battle) for the Dawn, Battle of Six Armies, Craster's Bastards, Gilly and Little Sam's Family Reunion, Hodor: The Return of Hodor

    I think it will be one of the first two.

    Fri, Apr 26, 2019 9:36 AM
    posted by Laley23

    The Night King wasn’t shown at the end of E2. My guess is he is in Kings Landing. Just a gut feeling.

    I rewatched Episode 2 last night, as well as the preview for 3.  In the preview, there was reference from the Winterfell folk specifically of the night king, and the WW Dragon was shown.  Doesn't mean that that dragon couldn't have been south, but the preview would lead one to believe the NK and dragon are at Winterfell.  Again, does not eliminate a bait and switch.

    Fri, Apr 26, 2019 12:49 PM
    posted by ernest_t_bass

     Again, does not eliminate a bait and switch.

    Some other stuff I read, in addition to Dany's vision, was that they've mentioned a few times how there are "1 million people in King's Landing", which would be an unstoppable army for the NK.  And you have Cersei's comment somewhere along the lines of "let them take on the undead army and then we'll ride in to clean up the pieces" - like, we're all sure that's a good plan.

    There was a bunch of other nuggets I'm forgetting.  I really have no idea.  But it is a safe bet that this is the main conflict with the dead given what we know about filming and the cost.....doesn't rule out a much more stealth/strategic plan to do an end-around an army of 1M.

    Fri, Apr 26, 2019 1:46 PM

    Will Dany's dragons survive the battle?

    I have a feeling Drogon buys it....and then Dany will think 1 remaining dragon will still give her the throne, not realizing that Rhaegal has actually become Jon's dragon.

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