Progressives, part 3...

gut Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 11:06 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

Question about what Bernie Sanders said at his townhall - that people in prison should be allowed to vote.

I thought only convicted felons couldn't vote (which rules out petty crimes like shoplifting)?

Apparently, in Canada and other countries felons can vote, even from jail.  That doesn't make it right or justify Bernie's position.  You commit a crime, and go to jail, you're forfeiting liberty which presumably would include the right to vote.  Once out on parole, or at least having completely served one's sentence, there's probably a debate to have.

Looks to be a pretty divisive issue, with even Cher going off the rails over Bernie's answer.  Someone is getting a stern rebuke for asking that question!

BoatShoes Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 4:40 PM
posted by gut

I thought only convicted felons couldn't vote (which rules out petty crimes like shoplifting)?

Apparently, in Canada and other countries felons can vote, even from jail.  That doesn't make it right or justify Bernie's position.  You commit a crime, and go to jail, you're forfeiting liberty which presumably would include the right to vote.  Once out on parole, or at least having completely served one's sentence, there's probably a debate to have.

Looks to be a pretty divisive issue, with even Cher going off the rails over Bernie's answer.  Someone is getting a stern rebuke for asking that question!

And here Gut provides an ironic and good self-owning example of how even the most prominent crazy left person in American politics is not even as progressive as what is considered normal in much/most of the western world - but yet the American left is OFF The RAILS!!! (fwiw I don't support felons voting in prison - making my views on this issue much more conservative than the majority of the world - SJW's hang me in the streets. But hey, the CRAZY LEFT). 

Here's a list of felony voting in other countries - The U.S. being one of only four that has post-release restrictions: 

https://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000289

 

 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 5:21 PM
posted by BoatShoes

And here Gut provides an ironic and good self-owning example of how even the most prominent crazy left person in American politics is not even as progressive as what is considered normal in much/most of the western world - but yet the American left is OFF The RAILS!!! (fwiw I don't support felons voting in prison - making my views on this issue much more conservative than the majority of the world - SJW's hang me in the streets. But hey, the CRAZY LEFT). 

Here's a list of felony voting in other countries - The U.S. being one of only four that has post-release restrictions: 

https://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000289

 

 

The "CRAZY LEFT" folk on here just like to say that because they disagree so much with the "CRAZY LEFT" folk because they're so far right. It's not actually crazy left, it's just left. But they're so far right, that it is viewed in their eyes as CRAZY LEFT. 

And yet they don't realize it. And when someone like me tells them that, I'm called a troll or accused of being sleeper, or an idiot.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 7:59 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

The "CRAZY LEFT" folk on here just like to say that because they disagree so much with the "CRAZY LEFT" folk because they're so far right. It's not actually crazy left, it's just left. But they're so far right, that it is viewed in their eyes as CRAZY LEFT. 

And yet they don't realize it. And when someone like me tells them that, I'm called a troll or accused of being sleeper, or an idiot.

If the left isn’t the crazy left America is in trouble. The best polling current candidate being a life long socialist is insane. Wanting murderers to vote while in jail is insane. If these are common beliefs then the left is dumb as fuck. 

And you have been a little bitch on here, not a troll. You just deflect instead of answering questions or what you’re actual beliefs are. And I don’t pretend to not be right, so don’t group me in with that. But I’m also not republican bc they suck too. 

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 8:09 PM
posted by iclfan2

If the left isn’t the crazy left America is in trouble. The best polling current candidate being a life long socialist is insane. Wanting murderers to vote while in jail is insane. If these are common beliefs then the left is dumb as fuck. 

And you have been a little bitch on here, not a troll. You just deflect instead of answering questions or what you’re actual beliefs are. And I don’t pretend to not be right, so don’t group me in with that. But I’m also not republican bc they suck too

This is true. They haven't been anywhere near fiscally conservative since... seems like ever.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 8:17 PM
posted by iclfan2

If the left isn’t the crazy left America is in trouble. The best polling current candidate being a life long socialist is insane. Wanting murderers to vote while in jail is insane. If these are common beliefs then the left is dumb as fuck. 

And you have been a little bitch on here, not a troll. You just deflect instead of answering questions or what you’re actual beliefs are. And I don’t pretend to not be right, so don’t group me in with that. But I’m also not republican bc they suck too. 

Please STFU, S&L has it all figured out and knows your views better than even you do.   The guy that pretty much shares the same views as 90% of the posters on this site is desperately trying to differentiate himself.  It's hilarious. 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 8:47 PM

Lol, you guys are funny. I show up and say “you guys are right winged Republicans” and it throws you in a hissy fit. 

And ICL did you just call me a bitch? Haha wtf? you take politics too serious, dude. When you’re on a message board calling someone a bitch because you disagree with their opinion of your political affiliation, it’s time to re evaluate things. 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 8:53 PM
posted by like_that

Please STFU, S&L has it all figured out and knows your views better than even you do.   The guy that pretty much shares the same views as 90% of the posters on this site is desperately trying to differentiate himself.  It's hilarious. 

You’re very stubborn, aren’t you? I’m not trying to differentiate myself. I’m simply lol’ing at a group of people on a forum screaming they’re pretty moderate or libertarian and that the left have gone crazy and are super far left. 

Youre right, I do agree with most said on here. And still do. But I don’t try and convince myself I’m something I’m not and I certainly don’t let people with different opinions (libs) effect me too much. 

You guys read some article about how some guy in England went into a women’s bathroom because he doesn’t identify as a man, and you go apeshit thinking that’s how it’s going to be here. 

Next time, say these words to yourself and then move on: “who gives a fuck”

youll feel better 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 8:54 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

Lol, you guys are funny. I show up and say “you guys are right winged Republicans” and it throws you in a hissy fit. 

And ICL did you just call me a bitch? Haha wtf? you take politics too serious, dude. When you’re on a message board calling someone a bitch because you disagree with their opinion of your political affiliation, it’s time to re evaluate things. 

Are you stupid? I don’t care about your beliefs. You’re responses like “prayers sent” “lol oh call me a troll” etc is what makes you a bitch. You post nothing of substance. I only post politics here to point out how stupid the left is, but you just bitch about people’s beliefs without actually defending your own or even mentioning your own. It’s weird you can’t comprehend that. 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 8:59 PM
posted by iclfan2

Are you stupid? I don’t care about your beliefs. You’re responses like “prayers sent” “lol oh call me a troll” etc is what makes you a bitch. You post nothing of substance. I only post politics here to point out how stupid the left is, but you just bitch about people’s beliefs without actually defending your own or even mentioning your own. It’s weird you can’t comprehend that. 

Who’s being a bitch now? You’re bitching and moaning that I don’t just quietly let you throw a hissy fit with all your right winged buddies on here. Give me a break. If you can’t handle a little opposition to your opinions, I recommend growing a sack. 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 9:08 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

Who’s being a bitch now? You’re bitching and moaning that I don’t just quietly let you throw a hissy fit with all your right winged buddies on here. Give me a break. If you can’t handle a little opposition to your opinions, I recommend growing a sack. 

I’d love opposite opinions. Just saying dumb shit like “prayers sent” isn’t opposition. Nor is saying things like the left isn’t crazier while the highest polling politician currently in the race (until tomorrow) is a loser socialist who praised Russia and Venezuela. 

Boat Shoes is a total lib but at least argues the views, not just throwing out bullshit deflection.

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 9:23 PM
posted by iclfan2

I’d love opposite opinions. Just saying dumb shit like “prayers sent” isn’t opposition. Nor is saying things like the left isn’t crazier while the highest polling politician currently in the race (until tomorrow) is a loser socialist who praised Russia and Venezuela. 

Boat Shoes is a total lib but at least argues the views, not just throwing out bullshit deflection.

What do my views have anything to do with this?

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 10:19 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

You’re very stubborn, aren’t you? I’m not trying to differentiate myself. I’m simply lol’ing at a group of people on a forum screaming they’re pretty moderate or libertarian and that the left have gone crazy and are super far left. 

Youre right, I do agree with most said on here. And still do. But I don’t try and convince myself I’m something I’m not and I certainly don’t let people with different opinions (libs) effect me too much. 

You guys read some article about how some guy in England went into a women’s bathroom because he doesn’t identify as a man, and you go apeshit thinking that’s how it’s going to be here. 

Next time, say these words to yourself and then move on: “who gives a fuck”

youll feel better 

Lol, dude you are trying you're hardest to brand yourself as the "reasonable" guy, and it's pretty damn obvious you want to be viewed on that pedestal.  You're clearly trying to convince yourself somebody you're not.  We get it, you're butt hurt because this site has a thread about progressives to trash them and you want to discuss something else.  That's the whole point of the thread and you choose to go read it and get rattled.  It's a forum, that's what happens on forums.  Nobody here is going out in real life yelling at random people about progressives and living their lives in misery over them.  We literally have an entire forum named in dedication to poking fun at "serious business."  At some point you have lost track of that apparently.  I never knew spock and QO could live rent free in your head.  Bring back the old S&L.

I have asked you legitimate and simple questions, yet you choose not to answer them. and you're trying to call me stubborn?  Take your own advice.  

I will give you another crack it at.  Since you are so sure of everyone's views on this site and most of us are trying to be something we aren't, what views do I have that contradict who I am "trying" to be.  Don't give me this weak shit about hating progressives, socialists, leftists either. Give me a legitimate stance I have that contradicts me claiming I lean libertarian. 

My guess is you won't have a real answer, because you don't know wtf you are talking about.

posted by iclfan2

Are you stupid? I don’t care about your beliefs. You’re responses like “prayers sent” “lol oh call me a troll” etc is what makes you a bitch. You post nothing of substance. I only post politics here to point out how stupid the left is, but you just bitch about people’s beliefs without actually defending your own or even mentioning your own. It’s weird you can’t comprehend that. 

 

Exactly why I say he is trying too hard. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Who’s being a bitch now? You’re bitching and moaning that I don’t just quietly let you throw a hissy fit with all your right winged buddies on here. Give me a break. If you can’t handle a little opposition to your opinions, I recommend growing a sack. 

 

Nobody cares about you  providing"opposition," but at least don't be a coward and actually run like you always do when someone asks you a legitimate question.  So far you have only proven you are a fake tough guy.

posted by SportsAndLady

What do my views have anything to do with this?

S&L wants to attack everyone for being part of a right wing cesspool, while also acting like he doesn't agree with everyone.  Somehow he doesn't know what his views have to do with any of this discussion. LOL, at least Heretic paid attention at OU. 

 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Apr 24, 2019 10:57 PM

That’s cool. Goodbye to the OC. You guys have ruined this place. Congrats. 

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 12:05 AM
posted by SportsAndLady

That’s cool. Goodbye to the OC. You guys have ruined this place. Congrats. 

So much butthurt I think you might be gay.....Bye, Sleeper....again

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 12:08 AM
posted by BoatShoes

And here Gut provides an ironic and good self-owning example of how even the most prominent crazy left person in American politics is not even as progressive as what is

LMAO....can you translate that for sane people?

BoatShoes Senior Member
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 12:14 AM
posted by gut

LMAO....can you translate that for sane people?

What is considered crazy left in this forum and in America generally is basically normal/moderate in much of prosperous western civilization. You provided an example yourself with felony suffrage. 

gut Senior Member
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 12:16 AM
posted by BoatShoes

What is considered crazy left in this forum and in America generally is basically normal/moderate in much of prosperous western civilization. You provided an example yourself with felony suffrage. 

Well, this is America.  You dodged the question, and you twisted what was said and the context.  But you've always been a clown. 

BoatShoes Senior Member
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 1:14 AM
posted by gut

Well, this is America.  You dodged the question, and you twisted what was said and the context.  But you've always been a clown. 

Gut must be drinking alone again tonight. There was no non-rhetorical question in your original post that I quoted. Not sure how I twisted the context - was simply commenting on your timely post in relation to the "Crazy Left" debate elsewhere in the forum.

I'm afraid I did not make the cut for clown school though.

BoatShoes Senior Member
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 1:16 AM
posted by gut

So much butthurt I think you might be gay.....Bye, Sleeper....again

Reminder - Gut in his rarified political eminence is "disgusted with political discourse" lol.

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