posted by jmogTouché, I will give you that one. I had a brain fart. The KKK did “claim” to be Christians while acting like the complete opposite.
Although the KKK hated Catholics just as much as blacks people which is odd to hate other Christians.
But, to the KKK, Catholics are not proper Christians. It is no different than members of ISIS or al Qaeda killing Shia Muslims because they do not consider them proper Muslims.
posted by supermanI hate to defend Spock, but when was the last Christian stoning?
I did note that I was referencing history. I'd contend that the absence of stoning has as much to do with the development of the west societally as it does religiously.
However, I'd point out that Torah was effectively the first document to make stoning an official means of capital punishment, so in a manner of speaking, the Judeo-Christian Scriptures essentially "invent" stoning as an official practice.
Notably, stoning is absent from the Qu'ran, though it is taught within some of the post-Qu'ran religious teachings (as some things are written by Augustine and other early church fathers in Christianity).
We've had entire eras in which there were church-sanctioned initiatives to commit acts of violence.
So, whether or not those doing the stoning most recently have been Christians, I think it would be unwise for us to paint entire systems of religious thought according to the actions of those many of them may or may not endorse, because I daresay that we'd prefer not to be associated with those committing even worse acts of barbarism within our own history.
posted by jmogI also hate to defend Spock too. While I normally agree with O-Trap on nearly everything, if we are talking history of centuries ago vs a religion still doing them now it’s comparing apples to oranges.
My point is that painting the religion as a whole according to the acts of some is equitable to painting Christians today according to the acts of those within our own history.
Just as we prefer to consider ourselves distinct from those committing the acts of atrocity that have been well-documented through the Dark Ages, there will be plenty who practice Islam who prefer to consider themselves distinct from those committing these acts of atrocity.
posted by ptown_trojans_1But, to the KKK, Catholics are not proper Christians. It is no different than members of ISIS or al Qaeda killing Shia Muslims because they do not consider them proper Muslims.
Not much different from the Reformation. My understanding is that, despite the fact that they all objected to the Catholic Church's modus operandi, the reformers were, in some cases, militantly hostile toward one another as well.
Soooooo.......agreement on a $2T infrastructure bill, just as soon as Trump decides how to pay for it? Appropriations is now the responsibility of the POTUS? And does that mean Trump can slide in $20B for the wall, or is that different?
posted by gutSoooooo.......agreement on a $2T infrastructure bill, just as soon as Trump decides how to pay for it? Appropriations is now the responsibility of the POTUS? And does that mean Trump can slide in $20B for the wall, or is that different?
No, but does it matter if we say that?
Also no, but he did bring that precedent on himself when he claimed Mexico was going to pay for something.
I'm sure he'll try. I'm sure the right will ignore the fact that it's an absurd expenditure on an obscenely old form of defensive technology that has, at best, a mixed history of effectiveness. Meanwhile, the left will say that if the wall is built, then the terrorists and the racists win. Elizabeth Warren will claim to be part wall, which will turn out to be true to a 1/128th degree. Joe Biden will creepily caress the wall. AOC will tweet insults at the wall for being a capitalist pig. The SJWs will ask why there aren't more same-sex and transgendered walls in the US. Alex Jones will say the wall is a false flag. Finally, Trump will wax poetic about the wall in his native Cheeto dialect.
And then, Kanye will drop a new track, and we'll all forget about the whole thing for days or weeks at a time, only to grumble at one another periodically when it accidentally happens to come up.
posted by O-TrapNo, but does it matter if we say that?
Pelosi and Schumer were giddy. They are obviously trying to set this up to point the failure on Trump, so that 2/3 of his domestic agenda hasn't happened.
Except what if Trump turns around after the courts strike down ACA and says "we can use that money!".
posted by O-TrapElizabeth Warren will claim to be part wall, which will turn out to be true to a 1/128th degree. Joe Biden will creepily caress the wall. AOC will tweet insults at the wall for being a capitalist pig. The SJWs will ask why there aren't more same-sex and transgendered walls in the US. Alex Jones will say the wall is a false flag. Finally, Trump will wax poetic about the wall in his native Cheeto dialect.
And then, Kanye will drop a new track, and we'll all forget about the whole thing for days or weeks at a time, only to grumble at one another periodically when it accidentally happens to come up.
Savage
posted by gutSoooooo.......agreement on a $2T infrastructure bill, just as soon as Trump decides how to pay for it? Appropriations is now the responsibility of the POTUS? And does that mean Trump can slide in $20B for the wall, or is that different?
The obamaKare website cost more than the $5B for the wall.
Let that sink in.
John Solomon has been pretty on point about the whole Russia thing.
While I don't think any of that is evidence of criminality, this is pretty alarming. The IG and Barr may end up with a far more damning report than Mueller....which might explain why Dems are going to such lengths to impugn Barr's credibility and character.
posted by gutJohn Solomon has been pretty on point about the whole Russia thing.
While I don't think any of that is evidence of criminality, this is pretty alarming. The IG and Barr may end up with a far more damning report than Mueller....which might explain why Dems are going to such lengths to impugn Barr's credibility and character.
Flailing …..desperate …
John Solomon is on fire:
"...growing evidence a foreign power was asked, and in some cases tried, to help Hillary Clinton.
In its most detailed account yet, Ukraine’s embassy in Washington says a Democratic National Committee insider during the 2016 election solicited dirt on Donald Trump’s campaign chairman and even tried to enlist the country's president to help."
And here's how you set-up to launder this information through a friend from the media. Interesting thing is this was known around Washington already, and Manafort had been looked into - it seems, prior to Mueller, that this was not a crime that was prosecuted in the DC swamp.
" ...or letting an investigative journalist ask President Poroshenko a question about Mr. Manafort during his public talk in Washington, D.C.,” the ambassador explained. "
I feel bad for the people of Venezuela, but it is funny how the progressives in the US all of a sudden are pretending that they never believed that Venezuela was the model country for all of their progressive ideology. It wasn't even 10 years ago when progressives were fawning all over Venezuela. A lot of them are still too stubborn to admit they are wrong and would rather blame the US. So far in the span of 10 years the following progressive ideology has gone to Venezuela to die:
-"Democratic" socialism (this can encompass many things)
-Popular vote replacing an electoral college
-Gun control
-Raising the minimum wage
-Modern Monetary Theory
Am I missing anything?
Bernie had it on his website until a year ago, oddly silent now.
AOC has been silent on it as well (most outspoken democratic socialist), and Omar blames the US for it. Good work, dems.
Look what happens when you ban personal gun ownership, they run your ass over in the streets with military vehicles.
posted by gutJohn Solomon is on fire:
"...growing evidence a foreign power was asked, and in some cases tried, to help Hillary Clinton.
In its most detailed account yet, Ukraine’s embassy in Washington says a Democratic National Committee insider during the 2016 election solicited dirt on Donald Trump’s campaign chairman and even tried to enlist the country's president to help."
And here's how you set-up to launder this information through a friend from the media. Interesting thing is this was known around Washington already, and Manafort had been looked into - it seems, prior to Mueller, that this was not a crime that was prosecuted in the DC swamp.
" ...or letting an investigative journalist ask President Poroshenko a question about Mr. Manafort during his public talk in Washington, D.C.,” the ambassador explained. "
Wonder if Mr. Rich knew who this “DNC insider” was?
Facebook beginning to ban people, mainly right wing weirdos (and Farrakhan who the dipshit media tried calling right wing). There are a hell of a lot of other pieces of shit on there though that they didn't ban. This should go over well for them.
posted by iclfan2Facebook beginning to ban people, mainly right wing weirdos (and Farrakhan who the dipshit media tried calling right wing). There are a hell of a lot of other pieces of shit on there though that they didn't ban. This should go over well for them.
Who got the ban hammer (that we would know)?
Nevermind
I understand some (Alex Jones maybe, Farrakhan probably, any other that says actual racist things, etc). I don't understand Milo (to be honest I don't think I have heard of the other people).
Milo is gay, married to a black man, but yet is labeled "fringe right wing" when in reality he just hates what SJWs stand for. I don't care much for Milo's way of expressing his views (he says some not so nice things about people just to do it), but his rhetoric has never been hateful, promotes violence, or racist, although he is labeled by the left as all 3 of these.
posted by jmogWho got the ban hammer (that we would know)?
The people are mostly losers, no doubt. But they have literal terrorists and other Jew haters, let alone ANTIFA shit on there, so at some point I think they will be challenged at who they want to ban and how is it allowed. It's a private company, do what you want, but fuck off that you disable all people who violate your terms. And also laughable to me that the libs love it, yet bake me that damn cake (which was a complete setup from the get go).
posted by like_thatI feel bad for the people of Venezuela, but it is funny how the progressives in the US all of a sudden are pretending that they never believed that Venezuela was the model country for all of their progressive ideology. It wasn't even 10 years ago when progressives were fawning all over Venezuela. A lot of them are still too stubborn to admit they are wrong and would rather blame the US. So far in the span of 10 years the following progressive ideology has gone to Venezuela to die:
-"Democratic" socialism (this can encompass many things)
-Popular vote replacing an electoral college
-Gun control
-Raising the minimum wage
-Modern Monetary Theory
Am I missing anything?
This is a perfect example of progressive derangement syndrome. I did a quick search of "progressives praising Venezuela" and what I found are three non-politicians - Sean Penn and Oliver Stone mostly praising Hugo Chavez personally for nationalizing the country's oil wealth and Michael Moore praising Venezuela generally under Hugo Chavez. And then, of course, the Editorial that quoted Bernie Sanders.
Here's a post from a Conservative blog titled "Bernie Sanders and other Liberals once praised Venezuela. Where are they now?" - for a compilation of liberal Venezuelan praise, it doesn't seem to have much! Just Penn, Stone, Moore and Bernie.
As far as Bernie's vast praise of Venezuela - it all comes down to this one quote from an article written in 2011:
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?
And - what do you know? Bernie didn't even write it. It was from an article titled "Close the Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America" written by the Valley News Editorial Board - a Newspaper that serves Vermont and New Hampshire. Bernie simply posted it on his website lol. And yet - conservatives spread this around that this is Bernie's thinking as if it were fact like wildfire. It is the equivalent of a retweet! This is a perfect example of how the conservative bubble is a cess pool of fake news spreading like wildfire. Mainstream outlets like the National Review even spread it and hey - I accepted it as fact that something Bernie actually wrote until I took the time to see that he did not in response to this post. Hey, fake news works!
Here is the link to the article on Bernie's Website:
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america
Close The Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America
By: Valley News Editorial Board
Friday, August 5, 2011Washington, it seems to us, is focusing on one gap -- between spending and revenue -- to the exclusion of others. That's unwise, because these other gaps also pose threats to America and its social structure. They, too, ought to be closed.
Take the jobs gap, which doesn't need much explanation. There are far fewer jobs than people seeking work, which is why unemployment is close to 10 percent or higher, if you count those who would like a job but have given up looking. According to economist Laura D'Andrea Tyson, writing last week in The New York Times, the U.S. economy would have to add about 12.3 million jobs to return to employment levels that existed before the 2008-2009 recession blindsided America. A quarter of a million people enter the labor force each month. At the current pace of recovery -- which is to say slower than slow -- closing this gap could take 10 years or more. Talk about a lost decade.
Closing the jobs gap might be easier if there were a solid commitment to closing the investment gap. Unlike other rich nations and, we hasten to add, developing countries such as India and China, the United States doesn't spend nearly enough on education and work force training; research and development; and vital infrastructure such as bridges, roads and air traffic control. This is what's known as "non-security discretionary spending," which is a misnomer. Investing in these areas would actually help strengthen America and secure the future. Yet spending in these categories accounts for less than 10 percent of all federal expenditure, and the share has been falling and is likely to fall further in the grip of the Scissorhands caucus that has taken control of Congress.
Finally, and most worryingly, there's the widening wealth gap. The inequality of incomes in this country has been well documented and much commented on, to wit: The richest 1 percent of Americans now account for almost a quarter of the nation's income, creating an imbalance even worse than the days of the Rockefellers and the Vanderbilts.
Less remarked, however, is the fact that America's wealth gap is also a race gap. As the Pew Research Center reported last week, the median wealth of white households is 20 times that of black households and 18 times that of Hispanic households. Think about that. In 2009, the typical black household had $5,677 in wealth -- defined as assets minus debts; the typical Hispanic household had $6,325; the typical white household, by contrast, had $113,149.
The disparity is twice as large as it was in the two decades prior to the Great Recession and the largest since the government began publishing such data a quarter century ago. The downturn has been particularly hard on blacks, who are twice as likely to be unemployed as whites.
Moreover, according to the Pew analysis, the wealth gap widened between 2005 and 2009 because minorities disproportionately reside in states hit hardest by plummeting house values -- Michigan, California, Arizona, Florida and Nevada, where median house prices fell as much as 50 percent .
White households saw house values decline as well, of course, but they tended to be cushioned by other assets that many black and Hispanic households don't have, including savings accounts, pensions and stocks.
"What's pushing the wealth of whites is the rebound in the stock market and corporate savings, while younger Hispanics and African Americans who bought homes in the last decade -- because that was the American dream -- are seeing big declines," Timothy Smeeding of the University of Wisconsin told The Associated Press.
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?
-Valley News Editorial Board
And what do you know here's a quote from the Valley News confirming that the Editorial Board wrote it not Bernie.
So did Sanders write it? This mystery was resolved with a single email to the Valley News Editorial Board. An editor named Ernie Kohlsaat replied:
The Aug. 4, 2011, piece you are referring to, headlined “Close the Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America,” was an editorial, not a news article. It was written by a member of the Valley News Editorial Board and as such reflects the opinion of the newspaper. The version on Sen. Sanders’ website appears to be an accurate rendition of the editorial as published on Page A8 of the Valley News on that date.
Sanders’s critics would doubtless reply that cross-posting the article without clarification or caveat amounts to an endorsement. But an endorsement of what? The article is not about Venezuela or Bolivarianism (or Equador or Argentina, for that matter) but American inequalities, poverty, and lack of opportunities. The “Gaps that Threaten America” are domestic inequality, ‘the wealth gap,’ ‘the jobs gap,’ and racial disparities in property ownership. The only mention of Venezuela in the 600 word editorial comes in the endlessly circulated final two lines. It ought to be obvious to fair-minded people that, in the context of the article, this final rhetorical flourish was intended to shame America for failing to live up to its promise.
https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/sanders-venezuela-meme/
When Bernie most recently talked about Venezuela he said this:
“When I talk about democratic socialism, I’m not looking at Venezuela. I’m not looking at Cuba. I’m looking at countries like Denmark and Sweden.”
But then of course the new meme on the right is "l00k at Th1s gUy fRom DenMaRK who says They're N0t Socialist!" - even while Denmark and Sweden spend significantly higher amounts of GDP to social welfare expenditures (which is what conservatives typically mean when they deride things as "Socialism"):
So what is it then? Is Bernie not actually a socialist then since Denmark and Sweden aren't actually socialist and he wants to be them?
And so, other than the Hollywood cooks and the Bernie fake news, we have a 2004 letter of support for Chavez' oil nationalization signed by Dennis Kucinich and a handful of other leftists. https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/633
Basically - the meme that there is this large swath of the American left that was ever fawning over Venezuela is a complete falsehood. But you are being a good soldier Like_That in spreading the Fake News!
***P.S. MMT is politically neutral and wholly separate and distinct from any kind of "ism" let alone socialism. The GOP has functionally been enacting MMT based fiscal policy for longer than I have been alive and the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act conjoined with massive increases in public expenditure is a perfect example. It is perfectly compatible with small government but taxes must be cut much more substantially if you're going to reduce public expenditure.
posted by iclfan2Bernie had it on his website until a year ago, oddly silent now.
AOC has been silent on it as well (most outspoken democratic socialist), and Omar blames the US for it. Good work, dems.
Look what happens when you ban personal gun ownership, they run your ass over in the streets with military vehicles.
See my reply to Like_That. Don't even care for the Doc Brown look-alike who would likely be the next George McGovern if he got the Dem nomination IMHO but Fake News is Fake News:
It's still on Bernie's website and he didn't even write it and the article has barely a passing reference to Venezuela.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america
posted by BoatShoesSee my reply to Like_That. Don't even care for the Doc Brown look-alike who would likely be the next George McGovern if he got the Dem nomination IMHO but Fake News is Fake News:
It's still on Bernie's website and he didn't even write it and the article has barely a passing reference to Venezuela.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america
Thank you for the in depth response. S&L, take notes. Dumb to have that article on his website, but it does seem like he hasn't mentioned Venezuela much in his career. He's still a dumbass to think we could be like Denmark or Sweded, but better than looking towards shit holes in south america. A lot of articles citing Denmark/ Sweden as not communist, as you mentioned. So does him saying that's what he'd like to be like actually line up with his other policies?
posted by BoatShoesThis is a perfect example of progressive derangement syndrome. I did a quick search of "progressives praising Venezuela" and what I found are three non-politicians - Sean Penn and Oliver Stone mostly praising Hugo Chavez personally for nationalizing the country's oil wealth and Michael Moore praising Venezuela generally under Hugo Chavez. And then, of course, the Editorial that quoted Bernie Sanders.
Here's a post from a Conservative blog titled "Bernie Sanders and other Liberals once praised Venezuela. Where are they now?" - for a compilation of liberal Venezuelan praise, it doesn't seem to have much! Just Penn, Stone, Moore and Bernie.
As far as Bernie's vast praise of Venezuela - it all comes down to this one quote from an article written in 2011:
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?
And - what do you know? Bernie didn't even write it. It was from an article titled "Close the Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America" written by the Valley News Editorial Board - a Newspaper that serves Vermont and New Hampshire. Bernie simply posted it on his website lol. And yet - conservatives spread this around that this is Bernie's thinking as if it were fact like wildfire. It is the equivalent of a retweet! This is a perfect example of how the conservative bubble is a cess pool of fake news spreading like wildfire. Mainstream outlets like the National Review even spread it and hey - I accepted it as fact that something Bernie actually wrote until I took the time to see that he did not in response to this post. Hey, fake news works!
Here is the link to the article on Bernie's Website:
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america
Close The Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America
By: Valley News Editorial Board
Friday, August 5, 2011Washington, it seems to us, is focusing on one gap -- between spending and revenue -- to the exclusion of others. That's unwise, because these other gaps also pose threats to America and its social structure. They, too, ought to be closed.
Take the jobs gap, which doesn't need much explanation. There are far fewer jobs than people seeking work, which is why unemployment is close to 10 percent or higher, if you count those who would like a job but have given up looking. According to economist Laura D'Andrea Tyson, writing last week in The New York Times, the U.S. economy would have to add about 12.3 million jobs to return to employment levels that existed before the 2008-2009 recession blindsided America. A quarter of a million people enter the labor force each month. At the current pace of recovery -- which is to say slower than slow -- closing this gap could take 10 years or more. Talk about a lost decade.
Closing the jobs gap might be easier if there were a solid commitment to closing the investment gap. Unlike other rich nations and, we hasten to add, developing countries such as India and China, the United States doesn't spend nearly enough on education and work force training; research and development; and vital infrastructure such as bridges, roads and air traffic control. This is what's known as "non-security discretionary spending," which is a misnomer. Investing in these areas would actually help strengthen America and secure the future. Yet spending in these categories accounts for less than 10 percent of all federal expenditure, and the share has been falling and is likely to fall further in the grip of the Scissorhands caucus that has taken control of Congress.
Finally, and most worryingly, there's the widening wealth gap. The inequality of incomes in this country has been well documented and much commented on, to wit: The richest 1 percent of Americans now account for almost a quarter of the nation's income, creating an imbalance even worse than the days of the Rockefellers and the Vanderbilts.
Less remarked, however, is the fact that America's wealth gap is also a race gap. As the Pew Research Center reported last week, the median wealth of white households is 20 times that of black households and 18 times that of Hispanic households. Think about that. In 2009, the typical black household had $5,677 in wealth -- defined as assets minus debts; the typical Hispanic household had $6,325; the typical white household, by contrast, had $113,149.
The disparity is twice as large as it was in the two decades prior to the Great Recession and the largest since the government began publishing such data a quarter century ago. The downturn has been particularly hard on blacks, who are twice as likely to be unemployed as whites.
Moreover, according to the Pew analysis, the wealth gap widened between 2005 and 2009 because minorities disproportionately reside in states hit hardest by plummeting house values -- Michigan, California, Arizona, Florida and Nevada, where median house prices fell as much as 50 percent .
White households saw house values decline as well, of course, but they tended to be cushioned by other assets that many black and Hispanic households don't have, including savings accounts, pensions and stocks.
"What's pushing the wealth of whites is the rebound in the stock market and corporate savings, while younger Hispanics and African Americans who bought homes in the last decade -- because that was the American dream -- are seeing big declines," Timothy Smeeding of the University of Wisconsin told The Associated Press.
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?
-Valley News Editorial Board
And what do you know here's a quote from the Valley News confirming that the Editorial Board wrote it not Bernie.
So did Sanders write it? This mystery was resolved with a single email to the Valley News Editorial Board. An editor named Ernie Kohlsaat replied:
The Aug. 4, 2011, piece you are referring to, headlined “Close the Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America,” was an editorial, not a news article. It was written by a member of the Valley News Editorial Board and as such reflects the opinion of the newspaper. The version on Sen. Sanders’ website appears to be an accurate rendition of the editorial as published on Page A8 of the Valley News on that date.
Sanders’s critics would doubtless reply that cross-posting the article without clarification or caveat amounts to an endorsement. But an endorsement of what? The article is not about Venezuela or Bolivarianism (or Equador or Argentina, for that matter) but American inequalities, poverty, and lack of opportunities. The “Gaps that Threaten America” are domestic inequality, ‘the wealth gap,’ ‘the jobs gap,’ and racial disparities in property ownership. The only mention of Venezuela in the 600 word editorial comes in the endlessly circulated final two lines. It ought to be obvious to fair-minded people that, in the context of the article, this final rhetorical flourish was intended to shame America for failing to live up to its promise.
https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/sanders-venezuela-meme/
When Bernie most recently talked about Venezuela he said this:
“When I talk about democratic socialism, I’m not looking at Venezuela. I’m not looking at Cuba. I’m looking at countries like Denmark and Sweden.”
But then of course the new meme on the right is "l00k at Th1s gUy fRom DenMaRK who says They're N0t Socialist!" - even while Denmark and Sweden spend significantly higher amounts of GDP to social welfare expenditures (which is what conservatives typically mean when they deride things as "Socialism"):
So what is it then? Is Bernie not actually a socialist then since Denmark and Sweden aren't actually socialist and he wants to be them?
And so, other than the Hollywood cooks and the Bernie fake news, we have a 2004 letter of support for Chavez' oil nationalization signed by Dennis Kucinich and a handful of other leftists. https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/633
Basically - the meme that there is this large swath of the American left that was ever fawning over Venezuela is a complete falsehood. But you are being a good soldier Like_That in spreading the Fake News!
***P.S. MMT is politically neutral and wholly separate and distinct from any kind of "ism" let alone socialism. The GOP has functionally been enacting MMT based fiscal policy for longer than I have been alive and the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act conjoined with massive increases in public expenditure is a perfect example. It is perfectly compatible with small government but taxes must be cut much more substantially if you're going to reduce public expenditure.
I like how you think pasting entire articles and charts to make your post longer makes your entire argument a mic drop. I don't need to post the entire articles, but two can play this game.
-So it was only sean penn and oliver stone? https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-venezuela-pundits-20170802-story.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-6z2b3RvdM These don't even include Joseph Stiglitz or the every day average joe/jane americans who fawning over venezeula. You can still buy Hugo Chavez shirts on Amazon (i've seen plenty of dumbasses wearing them prior to venezeula imploding too), but keep denying it.
-So what if Bernie didn't write the article? It's still on his website and he obviously endorses it. I have read the article before, and If I needed to read it again I could have just clicked the link. Congrats on wasting your time fluffing up your post by pasting the entire article. Weird flex, but ok...
-OF COURSE Bernie recently said he is not referring to Venezuela when he speaks of Democratic Socialism. Like a true dipshit socialist he will always move the goal posts. There is video evidence of him in the 80s praising Soviet Russia and Cuba. Do you think he would praise them now that it makes him look like a dumbass? Of course not, it is easy to move onto the next disaster waiting to happen. Also, notice how silent Bernie is when it comes to Venezuela and how often he avoids the subject? LOL, yeah keep telling yourself that Bernie never advocated for the policies that have destroyed that country.
-You're so rattled over my comment about fawning over Venezuela that it distracted you from the main point of my post. All the bullshit policies that the progressives here advocate for, have died in Venezuela. There is literally no argument against that point other than moving the goalposts with some variation of "DaTs NoT HoW YoU Do IT!! LOoK At (Insert Scandinavian country with a higher or relative close ranking economic freedom index, homogeneous society, 1-3% of the population of the US, embraced the free market when their economies were sputtering, and have their defense subsidized by the US)!!!!
Basically you used a meme to counter my "meme." But you are a good solider BoatShoes in spreading that ignorant trash!
