Progressives, part 3...

posted by BoatShoes

What is considered crazy left in this forum and in America generally is basically normal/moderate in much of prosperous western civilization. You provided an example yourself with felony suffrage. 

I'm actually glad that in the US we don't follow the political norms of places like the UK. There, people are being arrested for posting "mean" things, memes and openly opposing using assigned pronouns. When it comes to social policing that means that almost everybody that posts in this forum would have ended up in the clink. Pass.

posted by SportsAndLady

That’s cool. Goodbye to the OC. You guys have ruined this place. Congrats. 

Thanks for proving my point. 

-Asked a simple question and given a chance to prove he is correct.... doesn’t answer.

-Says we get butthurt, because he is providing opposition... proceeds to cry and take his ball with him an hour later.

Can’t make this shit up. I like S&L overall, but this is easily top 5 crybaby shit on this site.  Hypocritical too if you count all the times he made fun of posters for crying and leaving.

posted by like_that

Thanks for proving my point. 

-Asked a simple question and given a chance to prove he is correct.... doesn’t answer.

-Says we get butthurt, because he is providing opposition... proceeds to cry and take his ball with him an hour later.

Can’t make this shit up. I like S&L overall, but this is easily top 5 crybaby shit on this site.  Hypocritical too if you count all the times he made fun of posters for crying and leaving.

The least he could do is have an epic meltdown if he's really leaving.

posted by iclfan2

If the left isn’t the crazy left America is in trouble. The best polling current candidate being a life long socialist is insane.

They don't even pretend anymore. I got an email the other day from Warren's campaign about taking a survey to let her know what's important to me. I thought if she really wants my opinion, then I'll give it to her. At one point there was a multiple choice option to pick which campaign issues were important to me. One of the campaign issue options was simply "tax the rich". That's their platform. Take from that guy and give it to me. 

posted by queencitybuckeye

The least he could do is have an epic meltdown if he's really leaving.

I'd really rather he didn't.  I think this place has largely become as quiet as it has because it's becoming more and more of an echo chamber.

I might disagree with him often enough, but I'd prefer a few more people like him on here.

So this was a thing in the NYTimes before they removed it. There is now an uproar from both the right and the left about it. It raises a few points:

Firstly, I thought Trump was bigoted in every way including anti-Semitism. If that is what was the general notion, then how could this idea come about? He either is or he isn't. Or are we picking and choosing what he's guilty of now based on whatever Ilhan Omar headlines say? Is this the result of TDS?  Did Trump change his mind what he is bigoted of? Is this a way of jabbing Israel? Nothing about this is coherent to me, but I suspect that it's a tangle of all the above.

Every group of people (trendy term is collective) which also includes religion gets a black eye from time to time. So is the answer to pick and choose winners? Should we be outraged at all bigotry or just bigotry that is the flavor of the week? Does this include the right of free expression and if so, free expression for who?

"Religion" can be a touchy subject for anybody. I would like somebody to explain to me how it is ok and even funny to portray a naked Jesus in a bathtub with children or sleeping with somebody's wife but it is not ok to publish a cartoon critical of Mohammed or a Jewish person? Which item is protected and which is not and why? As a Christian I laughed at the Last Supper meme that came out years ago. I'm sure many, many people got offended at that, but many also found it funny. Who gets to decide what is mean, funny or critical? Does everything have to be offensive? Didn't we learn anything from Charlie Hebdo? Because it's almost like lessons were never learned.

posted by CenterBHSFan

So this was a thing in the NYTimes before they removed it. There is now an uproar from both the right and the left about it. It raises a few points:

Firstly, I thought Trump was bigoted in every way including anti-Semitism. If that is what was the general notion, then how could this idea come about? He either is or he isn't. Or are we picking and choosing what he's guilty of now based on whatever Ilhan Omar headlines say? Is this the result of TDS?  Did Trump change his mind what he is bigoted of? Is this a way of jabbing Israel? Nothing about this is coherent to me, but I suspect that it's a tangle of all the above.

Every group of people (trendy term is collective) which also includes religion gets a black eye from time to time. So is the answer to pick and choose winners? Should we be outraged at all bigotry or just bigotry that is the flavor of the week? Does this include the right of free expression and if so, free expression for who?

"Religion" can be a touchy subject for anybody. I would like somebody to explain to me how it is ok and even funny to portray a naked Jesus in a bathtub with children or sleeping with somebody's wife but it is not ok to publish a cartoon critical of Mohammed or a Jewish person? Which item is protected and which is not and why? As a Christian I laughed at the Last Supper meme that came out years ago. I'm sure many, many people got offended at that, but many also found it funny. Who gets to decide what is mean, funny or critical? Does everything have to be offensive? Didn't we learn anything from Charlie Hebdo? Because it's almost like lessons were never learned.

 

Because Christians and catholics dont stone people, burn down buildings, shoot up public places, strap bombs on themselves and subvert whole parts of their populations.

posted by Spock

Because Christians and catholics dont stone people, burn down buildings, shoot up public places, strap bombs on themselves and subvert whole parts of their populations.

My whole point was not to put Christianity vs Islam vs whatever religion or who has the biggest problem of victimhood this week. My whole point was about the right to free expression even if it's critical or unflattering to a/any religion. We either have the right in this country to publish critical cartoons of any religion or we don't.

posted by O-Trap

I'd really rather he didn't.  I think this place has largely become as quiet as it has because it's becoming more and more of an echo chamber.

I might disagree with him often enough, but I'd prefer a few more people like him on here.

I'd rather him stay as well, but if he wants to be a crybaby and take his ball home then so be it.  If you're going to come in hot, don't be a little bitch when people start coming back at you.  He couldn't even answer the simplest questions.

posted by Spock

Because Christians and catholics dont stone people, burn down buildings, shoot up public places, strap bombs on themselves and subvert whole parts of their populations.

Yeah, our Christian history isn't riddled with stoning people and instigating violent conflict.

posted by O-Trap

Yeah, our Christian history isn't riddled with stoning people and instigating violent conflict.

I hate to defend Spock, but when was the last Christian stoning? 

posted by O-Trap

Yeah, our Christian history isn't riddled with stoning people and instigating violent conflict.

I also hate to defend Spock too. While I normally agree with O-Trap on nearly everything, if we are talking history of centuries ago vs a religion still doing them now it’s comparing apples to oranges. 

One need only go back not too far to the activities of the KKK that often referenced biblical ideology for a lot of the atrocities that took place in the 50's and 60's that were just as bad as stoning.

posted by geeblock

One need only go back not too far to the activities of the KKK that often referenced biblical ideology for a lot of the atrocities that took place in the 50's and 60's that were just as bad as stoning.

Why do you insist on bringing the democrats into this? 

posted by superman

Why do you insist on bringing the democrats into this? 

I thought we were talking about christians.  Im also not taking the bait on the political parties past and current ideologies that has been beat to death on this site.

I don't really think that it matters which religion did what and when. The point being, is it acceptable to mock any religion at any given time or are we supposed to give passes according the current trends and/or tragedies? Also, does it matter who does the mocking? Is it more acceptable if Trump is drawn into it?

posted by geeblock

I thought we were talking about christians.  Im also not taking the bait on the political parties past and current ideologies that has been beat to death on this site.

https://youtu.be/MpToEILMnA4

posted by superman

https://youtu.be/MpToEILMnA4

I have no idea how that has anything to do with anything i have posted or why you quoted me on this video

posted by geeblock

One need only go back not too far to the activities of the KKK that often referenced biblical ideology for a lot of the atrocities that took place in the 50's and 60's that were just as bad as stoning.

Touché, I will give you that one. I had a brain fart. The KKK did “claim” to be Christians while acting like the complete opposite. 

Although the KKK hated Catholics just as much as blacks people which is odd to hate other Christians.  

i saw there were several attack this week with religious connotations someone tried to run over some people thinking they were muslim but i dont think they were and a synagogue got shot up?  I feel like im also missing another one