Disgusted by the Trump administration part II

posted by Automatik

Trump slurps Putin and the Trump contingent are loving it. lol

Putin to Donald: Your name is Reek!

posted by Automatik

Trump slurps Putin and the Trump contingent are loving it. lol

Says who? C'mon don't be boogie here. Literally every conservative I follow on twitter called Trump a retard. 

posted by Automatik

Trump slurps Putin and the Trump contingent are loving it. lol

I'm enjoying watching CC go from talking about how weak Obama was in dealing with other countries to praising Trump for throwing his own intelligence bureaus under the bus in order to suck up to Putin. Because he's at least here to do those mental gymnastics, unlike the one guy who constantly ragged on Obama's golfing (Bases Loaded?), but then disappeared around the time Trump came into office and played even more golf on the job.

I love sitting back and watch the hypocrisy of the right. They would be losing their minds in this like they did the last 8 years. Now all they can manage is some vailed outrage at The media. Or vent frustration at the same behavior they participated in against obama. Or even worse the “ we don’t know what is going on behind closed doors” lol lol oh yea there is also the I haven’t really been keeping up with this Russia thing. Lololol

posted by Spock

a few things:

 

1.  Who is going to believe anything coming out of DC?  THe so called "intelligence" agencies are all under the gun and dont seem reliable.  FBI and Strsok, CIA and Brennan......

2.  Like Trump said.....where is the server?  That would answer the question.

3.  Everything done by Russia is "state government".  

4.  Lets not all ride our high horse to much....its not like the USA doesnt do this shit.

5.  What we have it a perfect shit storm that has been spun by our media to make us believe that this was all part of some sort of "Russia/Trump" love fest when in reality it was the Dems that got caught rigging an election and they flipped it on Trump after he made a off the cuff comment about "Russia can you find her emails"

I can only imagine the outrage on this site if Obama had held a press conference like Trump did yesterday.  It would be through-the-roof-outrage.  To your points:

1. I have never heard conservatives ever call into question the ability and motive or our collective intelligence apparatus.  It's now considered totally unreliable by many on the right because Trump basically said it was.  But he has a huge dog in the fight, so he isn't really an objective perspective.  
2. That's misdirection.  I don't know where the server is or the lost emails.  That all seems pretty shady to me.  I think Hillary's very shady/.  But that has nothing to do with what Trump's being investigated for.  If Hillary committed something illegal, she should be held accountable.  But a drunk driver doesn't get off because he says, "well, I wasn't dunk because I'm telling you I wasn't.  And besides, there are other drunks on the road who weren't pulled over"
3. Trump had the head of the Russian government right there and folded like a cheap card table.  Chamberlin came back to London from Munich and promised peace.  Why?  Because Hitler promised of course.  Don't any of the lessons of history apply here?
4. You have no way of knowing this unless you're retired CIA or something.  If the US meddled in Russian elections the way Russia is accused of doing in ours, the UK's, and other European countries, it would be found out by someone and brought out.  The outrage by the world would be justifiably harsh.  But that aside, you say our intelligence agencies are not reliable.  If that's the case, how could they carry off these enormous operations completely undetected? 
5. No one can convince someone that there isn't a huge conspiracy by the news media if that is what they chose to see.  Although that would require countless people to work together to pull off, maybe it's the case.  But just step back for a second and ask this question: what if all of the intelligence agency heads and the legislators of the same party of the president are correct and there was Russian meddling?  Were that the case, doesn't it deserve a response?  

Trump told hard-hitting journalist Sean Hannity that the collusion investigation is a total "left-wing conspiracy".  That phrase should sound familiar to most of us - if you substituted "right" for "left".  We remember how that turned out.  

posted by iclfan2

Says who? C'mon don't be boogie here. Literally every conservative I follow on twitter called Trump a retard. 

I didn't say conservatives. The logical ones are speaking out. The Trump Train is on that "nothing to see here" defense.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I can only imagine the outrage on this site if Obama had held a press conference like Trump did yesterday.  It would be through-the-roof-outrage.  To your points:

1. I have never heard conservatives ever call into question the ability and motive or our collective intelligence apparatus.  It's now considered totally unreliable by many on the right because Trump basically said it was.  But he has a huge dog in the fight, so he isn't really an objective perspective.  
2. That's misdirection.  I don't know where the server is or the lost emails.  That all seems pretty shady to me.  I think Hillary's very shady/.  But that has nothing to do with what Trump's being investigated for.  If Hillary committed something illegal, she should be held accountable.  But a drunk driver doesn't get off because he says, "well, I wasn't dunk because I'm telling you I wasn't.  And besides, there are other drunks on the road who weren't pulled over"
3. Trump had the head of the Russian government right there and folded like a cheap card table.  Chamberlin came back to London from Munich and promised peace.  Why?  Because Hitler promised of course.  Don't any of the lessons of history apply here?
4. You have no way of knowing this unless you're retired CIA or something.  If the US meddled in Russian elections the way Russia is accused of doing in ours, the UK's, and other European countries, it would be found out by someone and brought out.  The outrage by the world would be justifiably harsh.  But that aside, you say our intelligence agencies are not reliable.  If that's the case, how could they carry off these enormous operations completely undetected? 
5. No one can convince someone that there isn't a huge conspiracy by the news media if that is what they chose to see.  Although that would require countless people to work together to pull off, maybe it's the case.  But just step back for a second and ask this question: what if all of the intelligence agency heads and the legislators of the same party of the president are correct and there was Russian meddling?  Were that the case, doesn't it deserve a response?  

Trump told hard-hitting journalist Sean Hannity that the collusion investigation is a total "left-wing conspiracy".  That phrase should sound familiar to most of us - if you substituted "right" for "left".  We remember how that turned out.  

come on...your arguments are like swiss cheese...full of holes.

Hilary Clinton was the government for a few years running the state department.  If she is shady then most of the government is shady....(see Strzrok).  Lets make sure to define "meddling".....its not "interfering"  Our intelligence dept., state dept.  "meddle" all over the world on daily basis.  If Russia runs internet troll farms on facebook.....who cares.  It doesnt change a vote.  So lets not get our panties in a unproar about "Russia, Russia, Russia"  

Remember this, just a few years ago Trump was not a politician, when he states that he blames both sides he views that in our eyes.  From the outside.  Russia meddles, we meddle, we spy, they spy.......we knew about it and the FBI, Obama and HC didnt do anything because they thought she was going to win and they didnt care.  WHen Trump won they went full retard about it.

posted by Spock

come on...your arguments are like swiss cheese...full of holes.

Hilary Clinton was the government for a few years running the state department.  If she is shady then most of the government is shady....(see Strzrok).  Lets make sure to define "meddling".....its not "interfering"  Our intelligence dept., state dept.  "meddle" all over the world on daily basis.  If Russia runs internet troll farms on facebook.....who cares.  It doesnt change a vote.  So lets not get our panties in a unproar about "Russia, Russia, Russia"  

 

Remember this, just a few years ago Trump was not a politician, when he states that he blames both sides he views that in our eyes.  From the outside.  Russia meddles, we meddle, we spy, they spy.......we knew about it and the FBI, Obama and HC didnt do anything because they thought she was going to win and they didnt care.  WHen Trump won they went full retard about it.

 

This logic should have been applied to the emails and Benghazi. 

posted by Spock

come on...your arguments are like swiss cheese...full of holes.

Hilary Clinton was the government for a few years running the state department.  If she is shady then most of the government is shady....(see Strzrok).  Lets make sure to define "meddling".....its not "interfering"  Our intelligence dept., state dept.  "meddle" all over the world on daily basis.  If Russia runs internet troll farms on facebook.....who cares.  It doesnt change a vote.  So lets not get our panties in a unproar about "Russia, Russia, Russia"  

 

Remember this, just a few years ago Trump was not a politician, when he states that he blames both sides he views that in our eyes.  From the outside.  Russia meddles, we meddle, we spy, they spy.......we knew about it and the FBI, Obama and HC didnt do anything because they thought she was going to win and they didnt care.  WHen Trump won they went full retard about it.

 

Hillary is a separate issue.  She is not the president who is being investigated right now.  As I said, if she did something illegal, she should be held accountable for certain.  But even if you believe she did so something wrong, the lack of action on that has nothing to do with Trump being accused of colluding, and also nothing to do with the finding that Russia tried to manipulate the US election. 

I'm not defining "meddling", "interfering", "corrupting" or whatever other term because I don't mean them in a legal sense.  I don't know exactly what the Russians did or didn't do.  Whatever it is, you have no basis for knowing whether our state department commits similar acts around the world.  I don't either because I'm not privy to that kind of information.  Simply assuming it to be isn't an argument. 

I disagree with you about Trumps means when he assigns blame for poor relations with Russia.  It sure appears like he thinks that Russian action will diminish the achievement of his election.  He's certainly trained us all adequately to know how he would respond to a special counsel investigation if Obama were the president.  

"If she is shady then most of the government is shady....(see Strzrok)"?  Seriously?

posted by Automatik

I didn't say conservatives. The logical ones are speaking out. The Trump Train is on that "nothing to see here" defense.

Fair, I don't follow those people I guess. Trump is a dipshit, not sure anyone should be surprised, and if Obama had said it the right would have screamed about it for a week. I don't think Trump should get a pass here just bc he portrays himself as a jackass all of the time.

Lol did see some left wing comments comparing what Trump said to 9/11, Pearl Harbour, and even Kristallnacht. Dumb people abound.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VJwTAdSFfOk

i am more concerned he doesn’t even know what Brexit is.

posted by iclfan2

Fair, I don't follow those people I guess. Trump is a dipshit, not sure anyone should be surprised, and if Obama had said it the right would have screamed about it for a week. I don't think Trump should get a pass here just bc he portrays himself as a jackass all of the time.

Well, there was quite a bit of flack over the "Russian reset".....except many Repubs and right-leaning media have been more critical of Trump yesterday.

It's another classic Trump troll job.  But this one was not entertaining, it was embarassing and dangerous.  It's only been a year and a half - I think this act gets old after 4 years for all but the most die-hard Trump voters.

posted by iclfan2

Lol did see some left wing comments comparing what Trump said to 9/11, Pearl Harbour, and even Kristallnacht. Dumb people abound.

C'mon, these are the same people that hailed the "Russian Reset" when it was Obama and Hillary, and ruthlessly mocked Romney for calling Russia an enemy.  You can't make this shit up.  They've lost their minds - I think we know what happened to all Saddam's chemical weapons.

I think he just gave them ammunition. If he says he believes them that they didn’t do anything and they did, they could easily use that as leverage. They could threaten to leak things that could then make him look like more of an idiot. Not sure it would matter to his core, but I think some who were pro trump are tiring of his actions

posted by geeblock

I think he just gave them ammunition. If he says he believes them that they didn’t do anything and they did, they could easily use that as leverage. They could threaten to leak things that could then make him look like more of an idiot. Not sure it would matter to his core, but I think some who were pro trump are tiring of his actions

Well, that was a nice fantasy until Trump just came out and said he mispoke.  I don't believe him, but that's what he said.  But he does that all the time - says something one day, then denies/walks it back/clarifies the next day.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Hillary is a separate issue.  She is not the president who is being investigated right now.  As I said, if she did something illegal, she should be held accountable for certain.  But even if you believe she did so something wrong, the lack of action on that has nothing to do with Trump being accused of colluding, and also nothing to do with the finding that Russia tried to manipulate the US election. 

 

I'm not defining "meddling", "interfering", "corrupting" or whatever other term because I don't mean them in a legal sense.  I don't know exactly what the Russians did or didn't do.  Whatever it is, you have no basis for knowing whether our state department commits similar acts around the world.  I don't either because I'm not privy to that kind of information.  Simply assuming it to be isn't an argument. 

 

I disagree with you about Trumps means when he assigns blame for poor relations with Russia.  It sure appears like he thinks that Russian action will diminish the achievement of his election.  He's certainly trained us all adequately to know how he would respond to a special counsel investigation if Obama were the president.  

"If she is shady then most of the government is shady....(see Strzrok)"?  Seriously?

"If she did something illegal?"  Really?  THis is not some right wing talking point......she broke multiple federal laws that we would all be in prison for.  Take off the blinders.  At the end of this....HC isnt really a seperate issue.  The Russia investigation and her emails are intertwined in multiple ways.  And if you dont think we spend Billlions a year on our intelligence agencies to not "spy", "meddle" or "interfere" around the world in covert undercover ways...you are nuts.  

posted by Spock

"If she did something illegal?"  Really?  THis is not some right wing talking point......she broke multiple federal laws that we would all be in prison for.  Take off the blinders.  At the end of this....HC isnt really a seperate issue.  The Russia investigation and her emails are intertwined in multiple ways.  And if you dont think we spend Billlions a year on our intelligence agencies to not "spy", "meddle" or "interfere" around the world in covert undercover ways...you are nuts.  

Judge and jury huh?  Look, I don't know if Hillary did something illegal here.  Maybe she did.  If so, she should get hers.  I am no fan of her.  Trump's continuing to bring up her emails though is not a defense against what he's being investigated for.  I have no idea if he collaborated with the Russians.  Why not let the facts speak for themselves instead of continuing to play the "Hillary is guilty" card.  Hillary is not our president.  That makes her case less important in the present.  

I don't contend that the US does not engage in covert ops.  What they are though, I have no more idea than you do.  If they are at the same level of what the Russian's are accused of doing, I am confident we'd hear about them regularly though.  Regardless, that isn't really a valid argument here.  It actually sounds like some liberal argument about how our country deserves misfortune because of the crimes in our history.