posted by HereticWell, all the Rs that were so up in arms about Clinton seem to be really, really silent about this. Or deflecting like QQ always does.
Bill Clinton....impeached by the House of Representatives for two counts of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.
Donald Trump...paid a port star.
Not condoning what Trump did, but you really can't compare the two in terms of the legality of them.
posted by wkfanBill Clinton....impeached by the House of Representatives for two counts of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.
Donald Trump...paid a port star.
Not condoning what Trump did, but you really can't compare the two in terms of the legality of them.
He kind of has a point. Although banging a porn star a decade before running for POTUS is quite a bit different than diddling WH interns with a cigar.
posted by gutAlthough banging a porn star a decade before running for POTUS is quite a bit different than diddling WH interns with a cigar.
Just a tad
posted by QuakerOatsNo deflection; we knew he wasn't a boy scout.
Most are quite content with his policy actions thus far.
I hope your tariff's work.
President Trump proposes "No Judges or Court Cases" for suspected illegal aliens.
Surely a policy that promotes the values of liberty and constitutional conservatism.
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posted by gutWell what exactly do you think Obama has left as far as accomplishments?
If you're being honest, POTUS is pretty clearly a figurehead. Congress has the real power, and aside from checks & balances POTUS has little. He hires people who hire the people who do the real work. You seem to be making this argument because of the need to believe Obama did something positive, and that Trump is evil. Truth is both suck and don't matter.
I used to believe what the POTUS said and did mattered....but after 8 years of Obama and 1 year of Trump I've realized that's simply wrong.
Obama re-appointing Bernanke and Yellen saved the economy and saved us from his and Congress' mistakes e.g. the tax hikes and fiscal cliff.
Trump appointing a hawk in Jerome Powell could cause his own failure to get re-elected. (But in all honesty Powell has been better than I thought so far - sort of like former chairman Burns didn't adhere to his hawkish views when Nixon appointed him).
While Trump can erase much of Obama's legacy - he can't erase the Fed chair picks.
Schumer calling for a czar to oversee immigration, now. More government. If there is a clause *anywhere* conceding money to the military Trump will create one, which pisses me off, because he is THAT easily managed.
posted by BoatShoesPresident Trump proposes "No Judges or Court Cases" for suspected illegal aliens.
Surely a policy that promotes the values of liberty and constitutional conservatism.
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We have the most generous immigration rules in the world; people need to adhere to it and all will be well.
I'm kind of sorry Quaker Oats is on vacation this week. I would have been interested in his spin on Trump's meeting with Putin. Despite all of our intelligence services concurring that Russia interfered with the 2016 election, Trump chose to take Putin at his word because he (Putin) stated his denial "strongly".
Maybe every one of our intelligence services is wrong. Or maybe it is the "deep state" (thank you for the term Brietbart) on course to take over the world. But if our intelligence is correct and Russia did interfere, then what a weak, weak showing by Trump. Based upon his complete obsession with his electoral win, it sure appears that he is threatened by the chance that his win had some outside help. Now it looks like that egotism takes precedent over our national interests.
"Peace in our time..."
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI'm kind of sorry Quaker Oats is on vacation this week. I would have been interested in his spin on Trump's meeting with Putin. Despite all of our intelligence services concurring that Russia interfered with the 2016 election, Trump chose to take Putin at his word because he (Putin) stated his denial "strongly".
I've not been following this whole Russian investigation thing much. I know that some Russian interests bought facebook ads but that's all I'm familiar with. What else have Russians done or interfered with?
posted by CenterBHSFanI've not been following this whole Russian investigation thing much. I know that some Russian interests bought facebook ads but that's all I'm familiar with. What else have Russians done or interfered with?
I haven't followed it much either. All I know is the intelligence chiefs were brought in front of congress to give testimony and they all said there was Russian government directed interference. What that consists of, I'm not sure. I think there were ads, news story plants and email hacking, but I'm not sure.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI think there were ads, news story plants and email hacking, but I'm not sure.
I believe this is all true, plus some serious social network tampering (fake account spreading false information, fake rallies, etc). They were basically hired to stir the pot.
Now that I type that out, I'm convinced QuakerOats is actually a Russian troll account
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI haven't followed it much either. All I know is the intelligence chiefs were brought in front of congress to give testimony and they all said there was Russian government directed interference. What that consists of, I'm not sure. I think there were ads, news story plants and email hacking, but I'm not sure.
That all sounds about right.
I don't think they actually impacted the election. I think the goal was to stir-up a shitstorm, which we retarded Americans took the bait hook, line and sinker. Russia actually started running anti-Trump ads/attacks after he won. Doesn't matter, of course, becaues the "resist" movement insists on believing Trump is a puppet installed by Russia.
posted by CenterBHSFanI've not been following this whole Russian investigation thing much. I know that some Russian interests bought facebook ads but that's all I'm familiar with. What else have Russians done or interfered with?
Gave $400 million to Hillary
a few things:
1. Who is going to believe anything coming out of DC? THe so called "intelligence" agencies are all under the gun and dont seem reliable. FBI and Strsok, CIA and Brennan......
2. Like Trump said.....where is the server? That would answer the question.
3. Everything done by Russia is "state government".
4. Lets not all ride our high horse to much....its not like the USA doesnt do this shit.
5. What we have it a perfect shit storm that has been spun by our media to make us believe that this was all part of some sort of "Russia/Trump" love fest when in reality it was the Dems that got caught rigging an election and they flipped it on Trump after he made a off the cuff comment about "Russia can you find her emails"
posted by CenterBHSFanI've not been following this whole Russian investigation thing much. I know that some Russian interests bought facebook ads but that's all I'm familiar with. What else have Russians done or interfered with?
Didn't they hack the dnc server and Clinton's email server? Or at least that's what they've been accused of. How the left can spin that as "but her emails" I have no idea.
Two things on my mind right now.
1.) I'm not happy with Trump as President. But on the other hand, I don't think I could be happy with anybody at this point, whether right/left/center. Perhaps this is because the rise of social media and everything that anybody does is the worst thing ever. Maybe it's because my level of jadedness is beyond the event horizon. I don't know. Rand Paul might be the exception but some of his hands-off ideas go a little too far.
2.) The story going around about a possible video of Trump doing something in an elevator that maybe somebody, somewhere has is possibly the new birther surprise. That's it. That's the story. A possible something happened in an elevator and nobody knows what it is that was done but Trump is involved. Media and journalists buzzing about this and reporting it as an actual story lol!
I have no problem going after Trump. He eggs things on so in my opinion he can deal with the fallout. But ffs there is enough to go after him about in all reality - there's no damn reason to work yourself up into a lather about hypotheticals. It's predictable at this point and almost funny. Except for the fact that millions of people are reading these things and it adds to their fears and mania. Also, I think that it just makes Trump supporters dig in their heels even more and people on the fence about him are seeing this mass hysteria and are leaning on the side of joining the Trump Team. I've talked to people who are exactly in this situation and these are people I never would have thought would ever... ever... come to this point. It's astonishing to me. I don't know. Whatever, I guess.
posted by FatHobbitDidn't they hack the dnc server and Clinton's email server? Or at least that's what they've been accused of. How the left can spin that as "but her emails" I have no idea.
You could be very correct here, but who knows?! I've all but given up on any "reports" coming out of DC/media/politicians. I started to read up on all of this earlier this morning and in about 2 minutes my eyes glazed over, my jaw was slack and I kept reading the same sentence for the third time before I just clicked out of the damn page and left to get some more coffee. I've gotta applaud the people who are able to continuously keep up with all this stuff.
the Russians didnt do shit during this election cycle that added up to more than what they always have done or what we do to them. What they did do is find out that HC and the Dems could be hacked and they did it (along with China, probably NK and a few others). When the dems found out that everyone was going to find out how illegal HC and BHO were during their reign and the rigging against Bernie they had to come up with a plan to make it look like Trump was in on it and let the left wing media control the narrative instead of the real story.
Boy it worked cause most people in the US are dumb.
Trump slurps Putin and the Trump contingent are loving it. lol
