posted by geeblockI’ll agree he hasn’t messed it up and things have stayed on the same line they were on 3 years ago. I’m happy for it. I’m not rooting for our country to fail.
Ah, the old "Obama did it" routine. We know that you guys liked to blame Bush for everything during the 8 years of Obama and now are giving credit for everything good under Trump to Obama.
How long does Obama get credit? The whole 8 years under Trump?
posted by jmog[...] you guys liked to blame Bush for everything during the 8 years of Obama [...]
Do you know that this is true specifically of geeblock?
I was thinking about how much credit people get for being president after they leave. Obama was president for 1/5th of my life. THat is alot. In that time, he didnt do anything that affected me in a positive way. He actually stunted my career income, my family completely lost part of our health insurance and my retirement is just now getting back.
8 years to do something and didnt do shit. Trump reversed and made up for 8 years in 2 years.
posted by ptown_trojans_1If that is the case, the Paul and Lee should vote against every single budget measure.
Not approving the federal funds for 9/11 responders is a fucking shame in my view. Even if you are a fiscal conservative, this is one of the things the federal government should step up to the plate and actually do. I equate this to basically funding troops healthcare in the VA.
I'm pushing back on this a little bit.
Why couldn't the others say something like "ok, we just won't fund some university from studying two earthworms fucking for a year to fund this" ?
Overly simplistic yes. But the general idea is easy enough.
posted by CenterBHSFanI'm pushing back on this a little bit.
Why couldn't the others say something like "ok, we just won't fund some university from studying two earthworms fucking for a year to fund this" ?
I think the point is "not the hill to die on".
But I also think that Paul and Lee have pushed back plenty on budget measures and not just this one. Typical politicized media to cherry-pick to create a story.
posted by O-TrapThey should vote against every single budget measure, yes.
lol, you beat me to it.
posted by jmogAh, the old "Obama did it" routine. We know that you guys liked to blame Bush for everything during the 8 years of Obama and now are giving credit for everything good under Trump to Obama.
How long does Obama get credit? The whole 8 years under Trump?
A simple look at the hard data shows a steady line of improvement in all areas last time I looked. I haven’t seen anything major he’s done or drastic jumps in any areas creating major shifts. He mostly golfs, attends campaign rallies, watches tv and is on Twitter for the most part. He did give corporations a major tax break, but I don’t see manufacturing jobs ever coming back to the us when they can pay people 1$ an hour in another country. He has cut a lot of regulations which is never a bad thing usually. I don’t know how long Obama gets credit but I feel comfortable now saying things are staying right on track with where they were headed. The economy isn’t my strong area and I haven’t looked at the data in a while so it’s possible I’m incorrect. If he gets re-elected and we keep this up I will give him the credit. If he actually did something with healthcare I would be more inclined to say he had a good presidency. For the most part he seems to have spent his political capital undoing Obama legislation just to say I told you so
posted by geeblock..... I don’t know how long Obama gets credit but I feel comfortable now saying things are staying right on track with where they were headed.
By that logic, shouldn't W get all the credit then? Because the recession ended 6 months after Obama took office, with almost all the groundwork laid for a recovery before Bush left the White House.
Despite trying with his socialist agenda, Obama couldn't help but be a beneficiary coming into office at basically the trough of the worst recession in 70+ years. It would have been extremely difficult, and surprising, to have a weaker recovery than we saw under Obama.
If Trump owes anything to "Obama's economy", it's that growth has been boosted by the ending of anti-growth policies under Obama, that Trump is picking up some surplus left on the table by Obama's subpar recovery.
I really wast trying to give anyone “credit” I said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. And that I’m happy about it. I just did about 15 quick minutes of google and that appears accurate?
posted by geeblockI really wast trying to give anyone “credit” I said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. And that I’m happy about it. I just did about 15 quick minutes of google and that appears accurate?
You literally said " I don’t know how long Obama gets credit."
posted by like_thatYou literally said " I don’t know how long Obama gets credit."
He said how long does Obama get credit. And I tried to answer. My original post simply said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. As usual U guys ignore the point and start nit picking gblock, and change what I said. If u have a retort to what I said make it. I’m not going to get into a big discussion on how long Obama gets credit.
posted by geeblockHe said how long does Obama get credit. My original post simply said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. As usual U guys ignore the point and start nit picking gblock. If u have a retort to what I said make it. I’m not going to get into a big discussion on how long Obama gets credit.
LOL, he sarcastically and rhetorically asked "how long does Obama get credit for Trump's economy" to which you responded "I don't know how long he gets credit".
You can't backpedal out of what your words literally said.
posted by geeblockI really wast trying to give anyone “credit” I said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. And that I’m happy about it. I just did about 15 quick minutes of google and that appears accurate?
1.6% GDP growth is not a strong economy, that is what was inherited (2017). Since then it has been 2.2% and 2.9%. We all know that Obama said that 1% GDP growth was the "new normal" but that has never been the truth.
AVERAGE since 1929 has been 3.22%, that includes all recessions in there. The "normal" during a recovery from a recession has been 4-10% per year. The recovery during the Obama years never even topped 3%. It was the worst "recovery" in the history of the US statistically.
posted by geeblockHe said how long does Obama get credit. And I tried to answer. My original post simply said he inherited a strong economy which he did and he hasn’t messed it up which he hasn’t. As usual U guys ignore the point and start nit picking gblock, and change what I said. If u have a retort to what I said make it. I’m not going to get into a big discussion on how long Obama gets credit.
GOD FORBID people actually take your words for what they actually mean.
posted by jmog1.6% GDP growth is not a strong economy, that is what was inherited (2017). Since then it has been 2.2% and 2.9%. We all know that Obama said that 1% GDP growth was the "new normal" but that has never been the truth.
AVERAGE since 1929 has been 3.22%, that includes all recessions in there. The "normal" during a recovery from a recession has been 4-10% per year. The recovery during the Obama years never even topped 3%. It was the worst "recovery" in the history of the US statistically.
I’m assuming 2105-2016 were lower than 1.6?
posted by geeblockI’m assuming 2105-2016 were lower than 1.6?
No, they were higher, and since the GDP was slowing down heading into 2018 the economists thought we were heading into another recession.
You can't deny that the GDP was slowing down near the end of Obama's term and has taken back off.
2015-2.9%
2016-1.6%
2017-2.2%
2018-2.9%
Math doesn't lie, economy was slowing down and has picked back up right around beginning of 2017...wonder what changed? Tax cuts and tariffs
That’s good data I appreciate the discussion. It’s not a strong area for me. This fits with most things I’ve read and is in line with what I was trying to say and more accurately
posted by geeblockThat’s good data I appreciate the discussion. It’s not a strong area for me. This fits with most things I’ve read and is in line with what I was trying to say and more accurately
How does that data fit in line with "it was heading in the right direction under Obama and Trump just hasn't done anything to screw it up"?
It says almost the exact opposite as what you said.
Things go up and down there are lots of ways to look at the economy. Using your data of gdp. 2015:2.9, 2019:2.9. No drastic changes. We are basically right where we were. If the gdp goes down this year I’m sure you won’t call trump a failure, and if it goes back up I’m not sure he can be called a genius. He is doing a fine job with the economy but it’s not staggering by any measure. I hope it continues this path
How much positive influence are we saying the president actually has on the economy, outside the removal of negative policy?
Am I in the wrong room?
