Volunteer;670289 wrote:That was more personal than the allegations and threats being made by falcon81???? Guess the facts are not to be posted on here!!

You are kidding right? You made this screenname and posted here only for a purpose!

PAIronman;670282 wrote:Precisely Daisy1519! I can only conclude that it is parental statements made in the Affidavit For Bona Fide Legal Change Of Residence, under which OSHAA imposes the duty upon its member school distrcit to monitor/verify "some of the other affirmations that cannot be verified through documentation" (non documented items - perhaps). You responded to I Wear Pants' statement that it "would be nice to know what was allegedly falsified" with "I don't think that's really any of our business". I suggested that certainly this cannot be a simple "documentation" matter (one in which documents were falsified) because I would expect OSHAA to more readily determine the veracity of documentation before they initially determined eligibility existed. Instead, I can only assume that at issue in the non-eligibility determination are non-documented items ("other affirmations that cannot be verified through documentation") which the school district member was required to do certain things to monitor and verify. It apparently did to its satisfaction (see your reference to the school district's affidavits/my reference to Falcon81's praise of the district representatives) find in support of the transfer eligibility and "other affirmations that cannot be verified through documentation". Since OSHAA reversed its original eligiblity determination based upon "false matters" so we are told, it not only disbelieves the parents statements it must also disbelieve its member. Members are sanctionable for failure to do its part in the process. I am wondering if there were any school district sanctions for failing to appropriately monitor or verify issues for eligibility since OSHAA found ineligibility, and while perhaps none of my business, I like I Wear Pants, am curious as to the items that were determined to be false by OSHAA.

I see what you are saying, it took me a little while to get there. Good point, perhaps the Waynedale people were looking the other way? We can only speculate that though. I'm curious too what was falsified, but I feel like I already know too much, Falcon 81 has put so much info out here (albeit, maybe 20% of it is true).

During the hearing, Ms Debbie Moore CONFIRMED she had misunderstood and made a mistake, this is documented. She Clearly stated had she known The Nelsons were NOT divorced, she would have NEVER made the ineligible ruling. The Stance The OHSAA took was to eliminate and unjustly NOT address the ANONYMOUS packet, if the ANONYMOUS packet was addressed, the hearing would be abrublty ended.

Someone stated "We do not know what was in the ANONYMOUS packet", this is a farce as the packet was delivered to Mr Nelsons Lawyers shortly after the close of business hours on Thursday, 14.5 hours prior to the hearing (which is actually quite hilarious when they Nelsons had to have their Defense prepared without any underlying evidence to defend against, The Nelsons were demanded to have their Def in by Wednesday). There was absolute Anonymity, no pictures, video, affidavits, names and the dates were WRONG, citing dates in September, The Move didnt take place until October.... The Nelsons defense packets contained names, dates, pictures affidavits, mail, drivers licenses...etc. AGAIN...Packets were essentially irrelevant.

Waynedale Administration on a sworn afffidavit confirmed 14/14? home visits/checks as well as 4/4 bed checks. Were essentially called liars.

Last year OHSAA took the power from Superintendants to have safety and welfare and health issues, upon stripping the Sups of this right/job, The OHSAA did not create their own board of members to address such problems, therefore leaving the safety and welfare concerns on a blind eye. The Laws and Bylaws have been wrote to the extent that a group of Professional Administrators/Lawyers must be inept in their comprehension to decipher the actual definitions of the written expectations.

At the conclusion of the teleconferance, The Lawyers, Administration and Nelson Family were so convinced by the overwelming positive evidence in THEIR packet vs the microscopic illegally obtained information in the ANONYMOUS pcaket...it appearred to be an open and close hearing and the Twins would be re-instated.

For those of you that don't like how things are done here at OhioChatter I welcome you to leave and join other forums. You are more than welcome to do that! You know who you are if this strikes a chord with you! There is alot in this thread, not all nice however some things just cannot be posted and when found they are edited at the discretion of the moderators, it is as simple as that.

This is not your site, you are not free to post whatever you want here!

Most of the other message boards have shut this topc down, there aren't a lot of options

Land of the Free brotha.

I/we don't want to shut it down, that is why a few things have been edited. What people need to realize is that it is not the site who is liable for what is said, it is the poster themselves. I have received to many PM's about suing, lawsuits, etc.....whatever. However just because it is a message board doesn't mean you have the freedom to post whatever you want! The site has the right to remove, edit, disapprove, etc...any content!

1_beast;670388 wrote:During the hearing, Ms Debbie Moore CONFIRMED she had misunderstood and made a mistake, this is documented. She Clearly stated had she known The Nelsons were NOT divorced, she would have NEVER made the ineligible ruling. The Stance The OHSAA took was to eliminate and unjustly NOT address the ANONYMOUS packet, if the ANONYMOUS packet was addressed, the hearing would be abrublty ended.

If that was all there was to it, then they would have been reinstated. The notion that the OHSAA somehow has it in for one family is beyond stupid.

fish82;670425 wrote:If that was all there was to it, then they would have been reinstated. The notion that the OHSAA somehow has it in for one family is beyond stupid.

I do agree with this. If the problem was just the Clerk misunderstanding the marriage/divorce/seperation and they proved their marital status then they should have been reinstated, it cannot just be hindering on that?????

No, but also if things we just that simple that ok, they are upstanding high ranking management type people, than Enron or the Disbanding of Arthur Anderson would never have taken place either. For them to say that if it is pursued legally, they would extend the punishment beyond the eligibility of this season, would leave to question there is something they don't want brought out or disclosed publicly, which it would be if a suit was filed. Either it be covering themselves for something, or trying to help a member school save face, either way. There are probably things that don't make sense to a lot of people on either side of this, and not knowing or ignorant to the relevant facts doesn't make anybody the wiser in voicing their opinion, which is just that, OPINION. I do feel it is a right of the accused to be able to question their accusers, it is a basic right set forth in the constitution of which I spent time in the Marine Corps and in foreign conflict defending. I am sure there are questions everybody has that they may never receive answers too, and henceforth you don't need them. But I do not see the relevancy of a governing body of state schools, 80% plus of which is composed of public schools, and for them not to have to disclose basic evidence for a hearing, because they are a private club. It is a constitutional right for anybody to be able to question their accusers, now if you don't like Mr. Nelson for whatever reason, fine, but you have no right to say he doesn't deserve what it constitutionally granted to every citizen, and indirectly you are denying his sons the same constitutional right. If it is a matter of the OHSAA being a private club, then a serious rapid move needs to be made to change this to a Public Elected Board, answerable to every memeber school and the athletes of which they govern.

Fab1b;670422 wrote:I/we don't want to shut it down, that is why a few things have been edited. What people need to realize is that it is not the site who is liable for what is said, it is the poster themselves. I have received to many PM's about suing, lawsuits, etc.....whatever. However just because it is a message board doesn't mean you have the freedom to post whatever you want! The site has the right to remove, edit, disapprove, etc...any content!

CYA?

The topic at hand and the OP keep opening themselves up to personal attacks by their actions/words, so if you as the mod grant them carte blanche you have to allow others to do the same. Fair s fair, right? The "facts" he posts are no different than the "facts" others post.

I have mentioned to you before the powder keg you are sitting on here, and while no site rules have been broken a thread allowing or encouraging this type of negativity hangs your A (see previous abbreviation) out in the wind.

Just saying.

And we have, what was edited was swearing, partial swearing, or something else against the two boys not the OP or any other poster so I think that is fair! Anything else that was removed was removed by the poster themselve! Also making alter egos to post against someone doesn't really help it much either now does it??? Some of you know who you are! If you don't have the nads to post under your original username then don't post it at all!

OK…just throwing this out there, again. (Somebody humor me, will ya?). And I would appreciate it if the “Mr. & Mrs. Falcon” could give me their take on this. I am convinced this WILL work, if tried. Not easy to do, but what worthwhile in life is? I’ve seen this work well.

**Just wrestle for Tuslaw for the remainder of the boys HS career**—Here’s a list of the &#8220ros”---

-no lawsuits & no more money wasted on lawyers
-instant “drama free” life
-kids wrestle and go to school with their old friends
-everyone in the stands would be rooting for your kids in any match they ever wrestle…EVER
-no more bullying, broken windows, stalkers, crowd boo’s, ---again,…Drama Free
-get the silent satisfaction of knowing that you’re annoying the live’n crap out of the “40 citizens” that now have you guys back
-can live un-interrupted in what sounds like a pretty cool house
-never have to deal with OHSAA again - EVER

Other than the awkwardness of the first couple practices and tournaments, I can’t see the downside. Besides, your family would leave a positive legacy on Ohio HS Wrestling that would tough to ever match. Your boys would gain a ton of fans instantly, and they would be the underdog that EVERYONE is pulling for, and the parents would set a great example of honorably dealing with adversity head-on.

Are there any OHSAA rulings that would prevent this?

There aren’t many rocks left to throw here, people…, and the boys deserve a plan for a solution to this, so if you got a better one, lets here it.

Fab1b;670432 wrote:I do agree with this. If the problem was just the Clerk misunderstanding the marriage/divorce/seperation and they proved their marital status then they should have been reinstated, it cannot just be hindering on that?????

My theory and that's all it is...... Mr. Nelson filled out the paperwork as the legal guardian in Waynedale on custody affirmation in #12, in the Bona Fide Move of Parents from one public school district to a different public school district.......(which states, both parents must make the bona fide move unless there has been a legal separation or a divorce/dissolution of the marriage).. So, it was only his information on the affidavit, so it appeared that they were separated/getting a divorce and had custody of the kids. When they, OHSAA, found out that they weren't divorced and that Mrs. Nelson was still registered to vote and did so in stark county under the Tuslaw address, it raised red flag. Also, her license still reflected the old address. But they weren't divorced or even separated.

Wolverine12;670487 wrote:OK…just throwing this out there, again. (Somebody humor me, will ya?). And I would appreciate it if the “Mr. & Mrs. Falcon” could give me their take on this. I am convinced this WILL work, if tried. Not easy to do, but what worthwhile in life is? I’ve seen this work well.

**Just wrestle for Tuslaw for the remainder of the boys HS career**—Here’s a list of the “Pros”---

-no lawsuits & no more money wasted on lawyers
-instant “drama free” life
-kids wrestle and go to school with their old friends
-everyone in the stands would be rooting for your kids in any match they ever wrestle…EVER
-no more bullying, broken windows, stalkers, crowd boo’s, ---again,…Drama Free
-get the silent satisfaction of knowing that you’re annoying the live’n crap out of the “40 citizens” that now have you guys back
-can live un-interrupted in what sounds like a pretty cool house
-never have to deal with OHSAA again - EVER

Other than the awkwardness of the first couple practices and tournaments, I can’t see the downside. Besides, your family would leave a positive legacy on Ohio HS Wrestling that would tough to ever match. Your boys would gain a ton of fans instantly, and they would be the underdog that EVERYONE is pulling for, and the parents would set a great example of honorably dealing with adversity head-on.

Are there any OHSAA rulings that would prevent this?

There aren’t many rocks left to throw here, people…, and the boys deserve a plan for a solution to this, so if you got a better one, lets here it.

Well they can not do that for the remainder of this year because they DID wrestle at Waynedale so that makes them uneligible to go back to Tuslaw this year.

Wolverine12;670487 wrote:OK…just throwing this out there, again. (Somebody humor me, will ya?). And I would appreciate it if the “Mr. & Mrs. Falcon” could give me their take on this. I am convinced this WILL work, if tried. Not easy to do, but what worthwhile in life is? I’ve seen this work well.

**Just wrestle for Tuslaw for the remainder of the boys HS career**—Here’s a list of the &#8220ros”---

-no lawsuits & no more money wasted on lawyers
-instant “drama free” life
-kids wrestle and go to school with their old friends
-everyone in the stands would be rooting for your kids in any match they ever wrestle…EVER
-no more bullying, broken windows, stalkers, crowd boo’s, ---again,…Drama Free
-get the silent satisfaction of knowing that you’re annoying the live’n crap out of the “40 citizens” that now have you guys back
-can live un-interrupted in what sounds like a pretty cool house
-never have to deal with OHSAA again - EVER

Other than the awkwardness of the first couple practices and tournaments, I can’t see the downside. Besides, your family would leave a positive legacy on Ohio HS Wrestling that would tough to ever match. Your boys would gain a ton of fans instantly, and they would be the underdog that EVERYONE is pulling for, and the parents would set a great example of honorably dealing with adversity head-on.

Are there any OHSAA rulings that would prevent this?

There aren’t many rocks left to throw here, people…, and the boys deserve a plan for a solution to this, so if you got a better one, lets here it.

Tuslaw would never accept him back, let alone the coaches...... and I believe the feelings are mutual with the Nelsons. They have found their new home in Waynedale, let them stay there, sit out a year, and move on.

From what I have read here......and in the news there is not MUCH at all that Falcon did right to complete a legitmate move to abide and follow the rules stated by OHSAA. Plain and simple. Numerous items...........were not completed or just completely ignored. Some of the rules are annoying and seem to be a little extreme but its nothing that the average everyday person can not comply with. Mr. Nelson did not want to follow the rules ............or he thought he was above the rules and could get away with doing things his way.............and HIS way cost his children their eligiblity. It amazes me everyone that is backing him. I can understand backing these children........they have no control over what their father does. My family made a move in less then a months time and were able to comply with all the rules for eligibility. If you cant do it dont take a chance with your kids eligibility. They are the ones that lose.

LowRider;670522 wrote:From what I have read here......and in the news there is not MUCH at all that Falcon did right to complete a legitmate move to abide and follow the rules stated by OHSAA. Plain and simple. Numerous items...........were not completed or just completely ignored. Some of the rules are annoying and seem to be a little extreme but its nothing that the average everyday person can not comply with. Mr. Nelson did not want to follow the rules ............or he thought he was above the rules and could get away with doing things his way.............and HIS way cost his children their eligiblity. It amazes me everyone that is backing him. I can understand backing these children........they have no control over what their father does. My family made a move in less then a months time and were able to comply with all the rules for eligibility. If you cant do it dont take a chance with your kids eligibility. They are the ones that lose.

This is absolutely UNTRUE!!!!! Do You HONESTLY think The Waynedale Administration and HEAD COACH Louie Stanley would put there season in jeopardy if things were not followed to the T. Both Tuslaw and Waynedales Superintendants signed affidavits, the State was in contact with all and EVERYTHING was APPROVED. Waynedale has emails and phone records as well as certified documents supporting this!!!!

Everything was approved on the information that was submitted. Yes I believe that. But after finding that the information that was submitted was not true then eligibility is revoked. Theres more then one thing that was not completed.........each and every one of the things alone is cause enough to lose eligibility. He is in violation of more then one thing. I believe at the time the Superintendants signed affidavits they believed everything was in order. Facts are facts 1_Beast and the fact is his wife didnt change her license, her voter registration, they have kids enrolled in 2 different schools yet no one is enrolled as an "open enrollment" so somewhere some how kids are going to a school in a district they do not live in.....and the list goes on.

Daisy1519;670519 wrote:Tuslaw would never accept him back, let alone the coaches...... .

The dad in the practice room, ya....but its a public school. The kids can wrestle on that team. And any Tuslaw parent that would prevent that should have their butt kicked. As long as the kids work hard and respect their teammates & coaches (which it sounds like they would) they wrestle...PERIOD.


I'm not much for BS, and I don't believe (exept for Charles Manson, and party clowns) in the ultra good and ultra evil. Everybody knows what happened here, feelings got hurt, tactics were tried, they didn't work, now time to move on.

Both sides just need to get over themselves. Its become a pissing contest between adults with the two kids caught in the middle getting hit by the big yellow stream. MAN UP AND FIX IT

I think too many people have lost sight that two kids are hurt at the hands of adults, and yes from everything posted here both sides bear some responsibility for that. This has turned into adults slamming one another and don't think for a second it doesn't get back to those kids, we all know it does. I hate seeing two young men with no control of this situation get punished at all! We as a wrestling community need to support those two kids and do what is needed to get them back on the mats. We as adults need to stop attacking one another, what is done is done, time to turn the page and let Mr. Nelson and his family do what they need to do for the sake of THEIR children and deal with the OHSAA. I have said it on here a few times that I think both sides need to take a breath and start backing off this thread and let things cool off, in the end cool heads should prevail and that is for both sides.

However credit to those lately sticking to the topic of eiligibity in the last few posts, surely that helps too!

Everybody knows what happened here, feelings got hurt, tactics were tried, they didn't work, now time to move on.
Both sides just need to get over themselves. Its become a pissing contest between adults with the two kids caught in the middle getting hit by the big yellow stream. MAN UP AND FIX IT


Agree to that!

A post to the Nelson boys specifically:
As a long time wrestler and now official I wish you two nothing but the best! I hope you find your way back to the mats very soon. I do not know you, nor do you know me however I think it is evident you have everyone's well wishes for a quick return to the greatest sport on earth. This spat is not about you two boys, it is about adults that for whatever reasons may be, cannot see eye to eye. Do not lose sight of your goals!!

Thanks Fab1b , much appreciated! Life is Good!!!

Mamma N, i think i speak for everyone when I say we all love your twins!

We have received nothing verbally or in writing as to why the OHSAA has ruled the twins Ineligible. You know as much as us.

Here is my statement and only statement today.

We are now on equal ground with the OHSAA for the first time.
We are very optimistic about the outcome because of that.
I'am excited and so is my entire family with the rout we have selected.
We are in very good hands.

My deepest apologies to all the educated and truly concerned Citizens that want to improve things and have had to listen to me when I have responded to the hecklers and unidentified rock throwers. That was wrong of me and I should not have thrown any of the rocks back. No excuses..I should have not even have recognized them. It is a huge character flaw in me to fight with bullies and not walk away from a fight. It is very immature of me ..Please except my sincere apologies from a over passionate and over protective at times father.. My greatest asset has always been my passion but is also at times is my greatest weakness.

Any details from here on out will be available as a public record. I will blog occasionally with my attorney's approval and supply updates on statuses and dates but no inside information on our case. Maybe a quick daily blog on constructive Idea's to make things better for future families. I will not address obvious pot stirrers or rock throwers...so throw those rocks, your going to any way.

For you constructive people that want the best for your kids and your school ...Email me [email protected]. Facebook me, if you identify yourself and you are cool I will except you as a friend. The T-shirts are already gone but more are on the way. The twins deeply appreciate the ground swell of support they have received and are already seeing the up sides to this unfair and challenging time in their young life. They may have seen the darkest of characters in this story but they have also seen the best of people, values and outpouring of love and goodness. Thank you Ohio chatter. Thank you Waynedale, the Super, the Principle, the AD and most The head coach, and a giant thanks to the Waynedale fans and community!!! You have never wavered or doubted even a little! Big hug and thanks, Dean Nelson.