Eligibility

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me_myself_i
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Feb 7, 2011 11:38am
Outstanding post! Good Luck to everyone!

need2lift;668275 wrote:You know everyone on here both sides have a solution for the boys being ineligible and how to correct it. I saw these boys this morning in Apple Creek and they are not the same boys that were wrestling earlier this year some of you seen them locally at Waynedale or Triway. If you could wrap your minds around this and understand THESE ARE HIGH SCHOOL BOYS 16 YEARS OLD. Put your child in these kids shoes and imagine what it's like for them for a minute: Not only have they be suspended from the one thing they love. (Right or Wrong it doesn't matter who's at fault), They hear the crap that is posted on here both from what someone said about their dad to what their dad said about someone. For the Love of God all of you EVERYONE needs to shut up and let these boys deal with what has happened to them. They look defeated and walk without the same cocky little step I saw earlier this year.

Mr. and Mrs. Nelson I do understand that you love your kids and that you want what's best for them. Perhaps if you quit posting on here people will lose interest in this and quit attacking Mr. Nelson. Do it for your boys, please. They have the backing of a good school behind them and a team that also needs to heal from this it was a blow to them too. I hope to see your boys at county along with every other Waynedale fan in their Waynedale Wrestling T-shirts. Your boys never wore a Team Nelson shirt to any match they were wrestling at they wore a Waynedale Wrestling shirt because that's the team they belong to now and in the future. Just because they are ineligible right now does not make them any less a member of the Waynedale Wrestling team in spirit. They should be their to support the guys who are wrestling as they have been and involved with the warm up head patting and the celebration of a win and the tears of a lost. These are things that the OHSAA can't take away from the boys the friends that they have made at Waynedale. And Mr. and Mrs. Nelson you have made friends too ones that have shown you the support and love that you need. Don't let these people on here get to you. They want a rise and feed from others misery. They truly don't get how they are hurting two young men with their malious post nor do they care. They have to be right regardless or who it hurts in this case two 16 year old boys who have shown more class than anyone on this thread.
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falcon81
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Feb 7, 2011 11:43am
need2lift;668275 wrote:You know everyone on here both sides have a solution for the boys being ineligible and how to correct it. I saw these boys this morning in Apple Creek and they are not the same boys that were wrestling earlier this year some of you seen them locally at Waynedale or Triway. If you could wrap your minds around this and understand THESE ARE HIGH SCHOOL BOYS 16 YEARS OLD. Put your child in these kids shoes and imagine what it's like for them for a minute: Not only have they be suspended from the one thing they love. (Right or Wrong it doesn't matter who's at fault), They hear the crap that is posted on here both from what someone said about their dad to what their dad said about someone. For the Love of God all of you EVERYONE needs to shut up and let these boys deal with what has happened to them. They look defeated and walk without the same cocky little step I saw earlier this year.

Mr. and Mrs. Nelson I do understand that you love your kids and that you want what's best for them. Perhaps if you quit posting on here people will lose interest in this and quit attacking Mr. Nelson. Do it for your boys, please. They have the backing of a good school behind them and a team that also needs to heal from this it was a blow to them too. I hope to see your boys at county along with every other Waynedale fan in their Waynedale Wrestling T-shirts. Your boys never wore a Team Nelson shirt to any match they were wrestling at they wore a Waynedale Wrestling shirt because that's the team they belong to now and in the future. Just because they are ineligible right now does not make them any less a member of the Waynedale Wrestling team in spirit. They should be their to support the guys who are wrestling as they have been and involved with the warm up head patting and the celebration of a win and the tears of a lost. These are things that the OHSAA can't take away from the boys the friends that they have made at Waynedale. And Mr. and Mrs. Nelson you have made friends too ones that have shown you the support and love that you need. Don't let these people on here get to you. They want a rise and feed from others misery. They truly don't get how they are hurting two young men with their malious post nor do they care. They have to be right regardless or who it hurts in this case two 16 year old boys who have shown more class than anyone on this thread.
My sons do not need your pity and are not close to being broke! Their team captains and fans have wore the Team Nelson shirts although I can tell, you won't be wearing one and thats ok! Read the Paper Coach Stanley has stated they are working even harder than ever in the practice room and are goal driven kids who will not be broken by old men in Suits at the OHSAA!
And NOOOO! We do not want this thread dead like you do! We want people to know the facts ! Dictators, Bullies, and those who creep in Darkness do not like the light and the truth getting out there! My sons love this thread and have thanked me daily for keeping it going and God willing and with Ohiochatter it can serve as a informational thread on this case and Eligibility matters in general! Sure you have the down side of cheap shot artist who insult my family and kids....we can take it! They get ugly every time the story gets made clearer and so they say unprofessional things in hopes the thread gets closed. I have bit more than once but try my best to get it back on topic with facts and healthy debate ..agree or disagree.
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MamaBear
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Feb 7, 2011 11:45am
Need2Lift....what a great post! You have said alot with your words of wisdom! I do believe the Nelsons are feeling pinned against a wall with all of these haters coming at them with there claws out....if I was in the same situation I can't say if I would or wouldn't react the same way, as I'm sure alot of people would react the same. I support them in whatever choices they make and how they handle this situation, they are a close nit great family and they deserve the best To people who know think that the coach and AD and Waynedale should somehow be held accountable you have no clue what is going on and what has been going on! The school system and people involved did nothing wrong...they filed all the necessary paperwork followed the rules and listened to the OHSAA when they said the boys were eligible! So what could they have done different? We as the public still do not know the exact reason they deemed the boys ineligible now.....that was never disclosed to anyone! You all think you know but the Nelsons dont even know the exact answer to that question! So until you all know ALL the facts from both sides you need to quit throwing people under the bus!
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falcon81
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Feb 7, 2011 11:47am
Daisy1519;668309 wrote:Was this Debbie more sitting on the Board that decided your sons' fate? Changing a driver's license and voter's registration is easy to take care of. Why would you request that exception to that rule? It just seems to muddy the water.

I asked before but don't think I received an answer. Why did they rule your kids inelligible? They had to state a specific violation to the rule. They don't have the power to say, because we "feel" like this rule was violated.

You are right easy to change on her birthday when you are suppose too and that is why they told us it was not a problem as long as she did change it when it was due ....AND SHE DID...why is that a hang up for you.
No reason has yet been given. The original reasons were clearly answered at the hearing and no longer held water. Hence why we thought we won the appeal. Since those reason do not apply now they found some different ones? My lawyers nor my sons have been told yet and the OHSAA would not release a statement to the paper. We are in the dark as you? But what is surprising about that...
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truefan
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Feb 7, 2011 11:48am
I don't think Mr. Nelson can stop himself. He always has to have the last word on everything, always has, always will. We all think that would be the best thing for his kids at this point, but we will see if he can do it. His new job is to now go after the OHSAA and he wants everyone to know everything he has against them. How can he not post all of it on here? I would put money on the fact that he can't stop!
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1_beast
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Feb 7, 2011 11:59am
Debbie Moore claims to have made the knee jerk reaction that paperwork was filled out wrong due to "sole custody/ shared custody"...in the meeting (which she was late for) she exclaimed, " I thought you were divorced!!! I would have NEVER ruled the boys ineligible had i known you were still married" !!!!!!!!! At that point right there, the clerk admitted to making a mistake....a "misunderstanding'. THAT is when the boys should have immediately been reinstated. SHAME on Debbie Moore...and SHAME on OHSAA for NOT doing the right thing!!!!
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Fab1b
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Feb 7, 2011 12:00pm
Truefan again I'm not on either side, from all that is posted I see issues involving both sides. You do like to provoke as well and you can't seem to stay away either. Has Mr Nelson attacked you personally without being provoked? Are you involved on either side and have any sort of dog in this fight?
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Con_Alma
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Feb 7, 2011 12:04pm
Sounds like truefan is watching this and giving his inturpretations of the whole thing like many of us are.

The twins are very good wrestlers and it's good for Ohio wrestling to have them compete. I don't know if truefan is provoking or not but there are times in life a person can be right and be right all the way to and through the punishment phase. That's what I got from his last post.
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truefan
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Feb 7, 2011 12:13pm
Fab1b;668341 wrote:Truefan again I'm not on either side, from all that is posted I see issues involving both sides. You do like to provoke as well and you can't seem to stay away either. Has Mr Nelson attacked you personally without being provoked? Are you involved on either side and have any sort of dog in this fight?

I have friends from Tuslaw and have heard for years about Dean Nelson. He doesn't know me so the only time he has attacked me is on here. I just hate the way he has made the Tuslaw district look to outsiders. Like I say, friends of mine are happy with Tuslaw, they think it is a great district to raise your children and have never had any problems like Mr. Nelson has stated.
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Jmar25
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Feb 7, 2011 12:17pm
Con_Alma;668346 wrote:Sounds like truefan is watching this and giving his inturpretations of the whole thing like many of us are.

The twins are very good wrestlers and it's good for Ohio wrestling to have them compete. I don't know if truefan is provoking or not but there are times in life a person can be right and be right all the way to and through the punishment phase. That's what I got from his last post.

He is clearly provoking like many are on here. It's funny to see these people gripe about his methods over and over again, saying the same things, then telling him to just be quiet yet they can not take their own advice.
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Jmar25
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Feb 7, 2011 12:21pm
1_beast;668339 wrote:Debbie Moore claims to have made the knee jerk reaction that paperwork was filled out wrong due to "sole custody/ shared custody"...in the meeting (which she was late for) she exclaimed, " I thought you were divorced!!! I would have NEVER ruled the boys ineligible had i known you were still married" !!!!!!!!! At that point right there, the clerk admitted to making a mistake....a "misunderstanding'. THAT is when the boys should have immediately been reinstated. SHAME on Debbie Moore...and SHAME on OHSAA for NOT doing the right thing!!!!

Was this meeting documented and transcribed?
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Con_Alma
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Feb 7, 2011 12:24pm
Jmar25;668356 wrote:He is clearly provoking like many are on here. It's funny to see these people gripe about his methods over and over again, saying the same things, then telling him to just be quiet yet they can not take their own advice.

O.K. I hadn't seen that. I hope no one provokes any further.

I don't know what's funny about people griping about Mr. Nelsen's methods, however. Those who are griping have nothing to lose while Mr. Nelson has been told by his attorney to zip it and the OHSAA has told him they could increase the penalty already levied. That's not very funny in my mind.

I only know that which has been posted here. I don't know any more than that. Mr. Nelson can be 100% correct on everything he has posted and still make it worse for his kids. That stinks in my mind. People can be right all the way to jail. It shouldn't be about being right. It should be about getting the best possibility for those two boys to get back on the mat.

As ticked off as Mr. Nelson must be I don't think he his truly helping his boys at this point in his effort to prove that he is right.
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born_to_wrestle
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Feb 7, 2011 12:26pm
truefan;668353 wrote:I have friends from Tuslaw and have heard for years about Dean Nelson.
This sounds like you are using "hearsay" to make your judgments on Mr. Nelson. Maybe you should sit and talk with him before you rip him to shreds. Face to face conversation can really mold ones perspective.
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falcon81
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Feb 7, 2011 12:30pm
truefan;668328 wrote:I don't think Mr. Nelson can stop himself. He always has to have the last word on everything, always has, always will. We all think that would be the best thing for his kids at this point, but we will see if he can do it. His new job is to now go after the OHSAA and he wants everyone to know everything he has against them. How can he not post all of it on here? I would put money on the fact that he can't stop!


You claim to know How I handle things yet in your next post you claim we have never met. If there is fraud it is your posts and your Identification.
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stonewallj
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Feb 7, 2011 12:30pm
When My Lawyers educated me on how OHSAA worked and that they are a Private club..Well it shocked me!

OHSAA stands for Ohio High School Athletic Association, not a Private Club. Schools in Ohio are not forced to belong to this organization but most voluntarily choose membership in order to participate in the events sanctioned by this body.

I pose another question...If the OHSAA is interested in stopping out of control transfers why has it never gone after one single major program that has 70 percent of its line up over decades that are mostly Transfers????? Answer....Because they do have a congressmen in the family to protect them! Conclusion ....The OHSAA is totally corrupt!!

Why single out a major program? Do you honestly believe that the OHSAA isn't on heightened alert in regards to a number of programs around the state that are constantly accused of malfeasance? I may be wrong but I would guess the private schools and open enrollment schools get scrutinized more regularly than others whether that is fair or not. Strong accusation re: SPG and a congressman and unfounded in my opinion. While no allegiance to that program I'm pretty sure they get their ducks all lined up anticipating a thorough review. Has the OHSAA always been totally corrupt or is this a new revelation with your situation?

25,000 views , I would say we have a following.

Impressive number no doubt, you definitely have a following for better or worse.

That would be convenient for the Tuslaw wrestlers in two weight classes and those that would like to stop Waynedale from being a State championship contender next year.

So this is not really about fixing a corrupt system for future generations but extracting a pound of flesh in payback?

Do you believe unidentified groups of adults should be encouraged to follow families around and be encouraged by the OHSAA to do so?

I find it very hard to believe the OHSAA employs "unidentified groups of adults" to follow families around. I do believe that the OHSAA has a right to determine residency within the means spelled out in their bylaws and the AFFIDAVIT FOR BONA FIDE LEGAL CHANGE OF RESIDENCE which charges current school administrators with this task. (See excerpt below)

In addition to the duties imposed upon the parents as heretofore described, school administrators have a duty to investigate and continually monitor all alleged bona fide residential changes. Schools should maintain files on all transfer students who claim to have made a bona fide change in residence which files should include the documentation that supports each of the claims set forth in the Affidavit. Additionally, the school should visit the new residence on some type of regular basis to verify some of the other affirmations that cannot be verified through documentation. These visits should be planned so as to yield meaningful and accurate results (i.e. to confirm that the majority of meals are eaten at the new residence, one should not send the truancy officer to the home at 10:00 in the morning when no one is home much less eating). A log identifying the times, dates, persons making the visits and findings from the visits should also be maintained in the student’s file.


Regardless of the reasons for your transfer, even if what you have documented re: safety, etc, etc. is all true, you are still obligated to subject yourself and family to these conditions in order for your sons to be eligible. Are you now saying you have a problem with the Waynedale administration for following these mandated requirements?

We stayed in Apple creek again Last night and we will continue even though the twins are ineligible.

If it's your established new residence, why wouldn't you?

Why have all 4 of my kids not been kicked out of Waynedale and All are still attending school

Why would your kids get kicked out of school anyway?

Why have I lost my Tuslaw home for 3 years now as a residence and the twins are still ineligible?

It would appear to me that you took a gamble and it didn't work out the way you planned.

Why are the twins still practicing and helping their teammates every day if they are not suppose to be there?

Because they love the sport of wrestling and enjoy being with team mates and pals.

Why did the Key wittiness and employee of the OHSAA go on medical leave exactly 5 min .after we agreed to the Sham teleconference meeting and show up again only 10 minutes late a week later to a critical hearing that changes my sons HS memories for ever?

Doesn't pass the smell test to me either.

FYI - great post by need2lift
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Truth
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Feb 7, 2011 12:33pm
truefan;668353 wrote:I have friends from Tuslaw and have heard for years about Dean Nelson. He doesn't know me so the only time he has attacked me is on here. I just hate the way he has made the Tuslaw district look to outsiders. Like I say, friends of mine are happy with Tuslaw, they think it is a great district to raise your children and have never had any problems like Mr. Nelson has stated.

Good post truefan, people are forgetting about the kids from tuslaw and the adults that are reading the posts and don't know any better. There may be a percentage that actually believe mr. nelsons lies.
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falcon81
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Feb 7, 2011 12:51pm
Con_Alma;668367 wrote:O.K. I hadn't seen that. I hope no one provokes any further.

I don't know what's funny about people griping about Mr. Nelsen's methods, however. Those who are griping have nothing to lose while Mr. Nelson has been told by his attorney to zip it and the OHSAA has told him they could increase the penalty already levied. That's not very funny in my mind.

I only know that which has been posted here. I don't know any more than that. Mr. Nelson can be 100% correct on everything he has posted and still make it worse for his kids. That stinks in my mind. People can be right all the way to jail. It shouldn't be about being right. It should be about getting the best possibility for those two boys to get back on the mat.

As ticked off as Mr. Nelson must be I don't think he his truly helping his boys at this point in his effort to prove that he is right.
Good points if we believed in the same things...We don't...thats OK!!

My family would rather fight and lose than allow corrupt organizations to bully and intimidate people into sub mission. To allow unidentified Hate groups win and Honest Superintendents, Ad's, Coaches, and Team members to be disHonored! They told me to keep fighting and not to relent! MY sons told me the OHSAA cannot take their Greco and Freestyle season away. They may try to take another season away from them for fighting back but then there would be no honor in having a OHSAA title anyway. My sons have been raised well and I find their insight on this refreshing ....THEY GET IT!! Some of you still don't and would proudly be muzzled and stuffed and put on the OHSAA Board room wall just so your little boy could go to sectionals....Teach your Boy to be afraid of bullies for a few extra matches???? NOT Team Nelson... we will not be bullied by a screwed up corrupt system out of fear of a private coaches club...We would rather win Fargo or move before we teach our sons to be cowards! We will not put up with the OHSAA, sorry they are no more than thugs in suits beating up little kids on public school property , A coaches Mob with lots of money , unbridled power , out side the law of the land. They had a chance to impress me with wisdom instead we got 20 min, no evidence , No chance to address them....Again a total sham process by even Saddam Hussein Standards. A mockery of Justice!
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Con_Alma
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Feb 7, 2011 12:55pm
falcon81;668408 wrote:Good points if we believed in the same things...We don't...thats OK!!

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Indeed it is O.K. It's very clear that we don't believe in the same things. That's never been a dispute. This thread has been spattered with opinion offerings and mine is just one of many.

There's a difference, however, between being a coward and understanding how to get what you want.
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Jmar25
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Feb 7, 2011 1:11pm
Con_Alma;668367 wrote:O.K. I hadn't seen that. I hope no one provokes any further.

I don't know what's funny about people griping about Mr. Nelsen's methods, however. Those who are griping have nothing to lose while Mr. Nelson has been told by his attorney to zip it and the OHSAA has told him they could increase the penalty already levied. That's not very funny in my mind.

I only know that which has been posted here. I don't know any more than that. Mr. Nelson can be 100% correct on everything he has posted and still make it worse for his kids. That stinks in my mind. People can be right all the way to jail. It shouldn't be about being right. It should be about getting the best possibility for those two boys to get back on the mat.

As ticked off as Mr. Nelson must be I don't think he his truly helping his boys at this point in his effort to prove that he is right.
I agree. There are only a few of us that know everything and I'm not one of them. Yet it is his choice to do what he is doing and that is fine and dandy. I would personally have handled it different but to each their own. the "funny" part was the contradiction of these posts. Just adding fuel to the fire. The matter of the case is zero funny. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or I wasn't clear.
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1_beast
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Feb 7, 2011 1:13pm
Jmar25;668363 wrote:Was this meeting documented and transcribed?

YES!!! IT WAS!!!
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Con_Alma
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Feb 7, 2011 1:17pm
Jmar25;668432 wrote:I agree. There are only a few of us that know everything and I'm not one of them. Yet it is his choice to do what he is doing and that is fine and dandy. I would personally have handled it different but to each their own. the "funny" part was the contradiction of these posts. Just adding fuel to the fire. The matter of the case is zero funny. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or I wasn't clear.

I think we agree on quite a bit. Thanks for your clarification.
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falcon81
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Feb 7, 2011 1:19pm
Truth;668383 wrote:Good post truefan, people are forgetting about the kids from tuslaw and the adults that are reading the posts and don't know any better. There may be a percentage that actually believe mr. nelsons lies.
You would be surprised at the number of Tuslaw people who are ashamed of their coach, the nameless mob who turned in the packet, the drunks the endangered the wrestlers at state, and the administration that was afraid of the Tuslaw board. There are more good than bad by far. The small envious few in the small Hard core wrestling Tuslaw community are making most of the noise and did most of the packet ground work on their after work time and weekends. I guess thats one way to beat Waynedale.
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Jmar25
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Feb 7, 2011 1:22pm
1_beast;668436 wrote:YES!!! IT WAS!!!

Like I said earlier in a post. THIS IS ALL VERY SHADY! Every aspect especially the decision process. I'm very disappointed with this process from the information that is out there currently through Mr. Nelson and the daily record. I would really like to see some sort of official statement outling the ruling and what credible sources and methods the OHSAA used to make this choice. If something was not up to par. Then fine. To give steps to remain eligibile by a single person, then followed as far as I know, and then to have that same person at a whim without any credible source (once again, as far as I know from the information on here and DR) and lastly to recall, forget, then recall a slightly different story is very bad practice and that alone without further credible evidence disproving Mr. Nelson is very bad practice and show allow eligibility.
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queencitybuckeye
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Feb 7, 2011 1:37pm
born_to_wrestle;668371 wrote:This sounds like you are using "hearsay" to make your judgments on Mr. Nelson.

If so, then so are the claims that Mr. Nelson is making against a whole laundry list of other people.
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falcon81
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Feb 7, 2011 1:38pm
Coach JOE Logan at Tuslaw who has been the one constant Nightmare for the twins from 6th grade to JR HIgh and then last year when he moved up to HS level. He banned them from wrestle offs in Grade school. Banned them from going 100 percent in Jr. High. Then banned them from even touching a kid fro Tuslaw in Jr high and could only practice with them selves in the corner because they were to "advanced" and were discouraging kids in the room. The coach who removed Zane from Dual meets because he was to good for "DUALS" and was only a "tournament" wrestler. That when the boys quit after the dual episode Coach Logan yelled addressing the Tuslaw Crowd as a paid coach and on Duty "Edited - Fab1b NO MORE FILTERING SWEAR WORDS in Tuslaw history finally Quit" looking right at my wife in the stands! That COACH , I wrote about earlier on chatter. Well is it not interesting that his own Son...A two time district qualifier and the SENIOR Captain Of the Tuslaw Wrestling Team Quit the team after what his father had finally accomplished getting rid of the twins. That coach who chased two great kids out of Tuslaw who's son Lost his spot to Zane the year before...that kid Stood up for my Family and the twins and walked away from his senior year... We will always and never forget what Joey Logan JR Did ....He gets it too!! His Dad is sadly still a coach with 3 kids missing he chased away..My twins and his own senior captain 2 time district qualifier .... Great job coach and now your behind a secret packet....We might lose a season but my sons and I are tighter than ever and will not be broke! Sorry little Joe for getting kicked out of the house then , life is about more than wrestling, call me if I can ever be a help to you. It teaches us to do the right thing when the wrong thing would be easier!