SYL may I ask how old you are? Never is a big word my man, just becareful. Guys like you don't wanna go to prison, internet warriors are not that tough in prison so I have heard!

I'd love to be the one who pulls the switch on you someday SYL. Your total disregard for the law makes you a psychopath and we really need to start culling some of you from the herd, you are wasting MY oxygen.

Tiernan;392112 wrote:I'd love to be the one who pulls the switch on you someday SYL. Your total disregard for the law makes you a psychopath and we really need to start culling some of you from the herd, you are wasting MY oxygen.

You'd love to, but you won't. And IMO you are the psychopath. I disregard the law, but don't believe in violence and try to promote unity and freedom. It seems from your posts that you are all about violence and oppression. We should let the people decide if they want their lives filled with uniity and freedom OR violence and oppression then decide who gets culled from the herd.

I don't have enough testosterone for this thread.....I am out!

Strapping Young Lad;391785 wrote:That's part of the problem I have with this shit. Obey, obey , obey. Obey what???? Anything and everything that some cop decides he wants you to do??? You think there are no instances of a cop abusing his power when no crime is actually committed. GTFO. That badge means absolutely nothing at all to me. I have zero respect for authority and I don't expect nor ever want to have authority over someone else. It's the most backward concept, yet we just accept it. The idea that you have to obey anything a cop tells you is the kind of ideas that lead oppression. That's good in yourwarped mind but not my reality.

People also need to get a clue. I've broken nearly every law there is and never spent a second in jail, never even been arrested. People need to learn how to buck the system and also to pick there battles. I will continue to break laws, but refuse to let the cops and the state abuse their authority with me. In other words, I win. You lose.

so if the cops planted evidence on you or broke the law to bust you, you wouldnt care right? i mean, they are pissing on the law just like you. if they learn how to buck the law with you, they win you lose, simple as that right? i mean, its ok to think you can do whatever you want and not have to respect authority in your warped reality, but not everyone else's.

^hell of a good point glory days!

sherm03;391292 wrote:On one hand...you have a girl that keeps pulling away from the officer and pushing him back. And then another chick comes and starts grabbing the cops arms and pushing him. He throws the punch, and then makes the arrests. I'm ok with that. There were a TON of people around him there...and he was the only officer. It could have gotten really bad for him really quickly. He made the quick judgment to punch the girl and then get control of the situation.

^This. You don't know if that was a rough neighborhood or not. But then, you just never really know, either. Girls are capable of being in a gang and pulling a knife or a gun. You don't want to get punched, then get out of the way! And you never, never put your hands on a police officer. She's lucky he didn't whack her over the head with his knight stick.

Glory Days;392157 wrote:so if the cops planted evidence on you or broke the law to bust you, you wouldnt care right? i mean, they are pissing on the law just like you. if they learn how to buck the law with you, they win you lose, simple as that right? i mean, its ok to think you can do whatever you want and not have to respect authority in your warped reality, but not everyone else's.

Like they don't do that already. I'm guessing they swore an oath to uphold and protect the integrity of law. That would be a violation. I've made no such promise.

But like I said they already do it. In fact, the state is immoral almost inherently. To live my life within the bounds that some other flesh and blood set for me is unfair, IMO. Imprisoning people for drug use as an example. Though I use drugs I've never committed any violent act, never affected anyone else. It something I do recreationally like you may legallty have a few beers. Yet if caught they could put me in a cage. To me that is a great injustice.

If you were being oppressed in Somolia and they told you it was illegal by their law to escape, I wouldn't find it immoral of you to do so anyway. I don't find it immoral to break the laws here if they don't allow me to do what I find pleasurable, so far as it doesn't harm anyone else. The laws I break are IMO arbitrary, unnecessary, and harming my freedom.

Anytime there is a thread about the police, or law, or the breaking of the law, I know I'll get to hear some pretty dumb comments from SYL.

Strapping Young Lad;392189 wrote:Like they don't do that already. I'm guessing they swore an oath to uphold and protect the integrity of law. That would be a violation. I've made no such promise.

as a citizen of the US, when you break the law, you commit a violation. its not illegal to violate the oath to uphold the law.

Glory Days is correct as a citizen of this country you are under an oath to hold citizenship!

I find it hilarious that people think that if you disobey any law it makes you a bad person.

It doesn't.

Something being legal or illegal is often times not related at all to whether it is right or wrong.

I never said it makes you a bad person, I break laws myself however when I am busted which I have been in the past I knew better than to make the situation worse. I have also been involved with police when I didn't do anything wrong IMO but followed orders and got away with no issues!

Glory Days;392208 wrote:as a citizen of the US, when you break the law, you commit a violation. its not illegal to violate the oath to uphold the law.

I never said it was illegal to violate the oath. Why does it not suprise that it is not illegal for the cops to violate their integrity???

I guess they'll have to go ahead and revoke my citizenship though. I'll always be a global citizen anyhow. You can have your nationality.

SYL we get it, we really do. This thread really isn't even about that. Its about interacting with a police officer when something is going down whether it is right or wrong. I think most people's point as well as mine is if you just do what the police ask of you 95% I am willing to bet of the time there will be no further issues outside whatever issue is already at hand.

just seen the video on the news. Some of you guys' reasoning really makes me wonder lol..

the girl was not punched in the face because she was jaywalking (even though i think its douche to arrest someone for that) I mean arent there more important things for them to do?

She was punched in the face because she was disobeying/attacking the police officer. the girls had criminal offenses, including stealing a van. what if they had a knife, gun, taser, etc on them? she deserved it.

Strapping Young Lad wrote:I guess they'll have to go ahead and revoke my citizenship though. I'll always be a global citizen anyhow. You can have your nationality.

thank you, you would do our nation a great service by your emmigration, the improvement in our quality of life would be observeable.

Yeah I've already stated that people need to get a clue and learn how to work the system and to pick their battles. I 've encountered cops more than a handful of times when they could've snatched me up. But I comply with their demands and live to do drugs another day. I don't disagree that you should play it cool and not make it hard on yourself when you have a run-in with the law.

ccrunner609;392241 wrote:WTF?

I think he's just talking to hear himself talk.

haha i think Noriega is a member of the OC.

sonofsam;391560 wrote:I would have kept punching her in the face until I broke her jaw so she would stop yelling. Man do I hate it when people keep trying to make a point that is against the law.

This + 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

I love people that come on here and defend the people that were in the wrong in the first place. Part of the problem with this country. Nobody accepts responsibility for anything, especially when we can just blame the big bad police. Seriously people, grow the fuck up. You sound like you're all 3 and you just got busted doing exactly what your parents told you not to do 2 minutes before.

Look people, for the most part, everyone knows if they're about to do something against the law. You make that conscious decision, then you deal with the consequences.

Chick broke the law. She got busted for it, and started bitching BECAUSE SHE GOT CAUGHT. Furthermore, instead of complying with the officer, she and her friend ESCALATED the situation, pushing him and slapping his arms/hands off of them. That's resisting arrest, and it's also physical assult. Go to any school and see who gets suspended between 2 kids who get in a fight. If kid A pushes kid B, and then kid B decks him, kid A gets punished just as bad, if not worse than kid B. Because he's the one who broke that threshold from verbal to physical. That's what assult is. You can't assult a cop, and then bitch because you got punched in the face. If she can't deal with the physical return (being punched) then she shouldn't have made it physical in the first place by resisting.

It's not rocket science. If more people were handed out the punishment they deserved on the spot, you'd see a hell of a lot less crimes being committed, and also a hell of a lot less people resisting when they are caught for a crime. Quit your bitching and take it like an adult that you got busted for something illegal and take your consequences. What a novel idea that would be.

This cop probably should find a new profession just sayin. If u cant cuff a teenage girl, what happens when u try to cuff a grown ass man and he puts you on your ass and goes for your gun?

Hb31187;392333 wrote:This cop probably should find a new profession just sayin. If u cant cuff a teenage girl, what happens when u try to cuff a grown ass man and he puts you on your ass and goes for your gun?

Shoot him in the head.

Fab1b;392230 wrote:SYL we get it, we really do. This thread really isn't even about that. Its about interacting with a police officer when something is going down whether it is right or wrong. I think most people's point as well as mine is if you just do what the police ask of you 95% I am willing to bet of the time there will be no further issues outside whatever issue is already at hand.

Agreed. The vast, vast majority of the time with the vast, vast majority of officers, it's best to go along with what the cop is saying. I think you, I wear pants, and I all agree on this point. The point that we're attempting to make is that it's probably not a good idea to unquestioningly follow all people who identify themselves as cops no matter what. This "I must follow all authority no matter what" attitude is what has caused all the problems at fast food restaurants across the country with a guy calling in, identifying himself as a cop, and then ordering people to commit sex acts on each other. As outrageous as it seems, lots of people go along with it because someone in authority ordered them to. That's just crazy.

It's also no secret that the "pretending to be a cop" ruse is one of the most common used ruses by serial sex offenders. They show up at the door, dressed as a cop, and demand that you let them in. Or, they pull someone over on a deserted road and rape them there. While this isn't terribly common, it's not terribly uncommon, either, and it's a reason why in many states you can call 911 and inform them that you're going to drive to the next rest area/exit/etc. before pulling over.

I'm not defending the girl here. As was pointed out, we're lacking all the background, and it's tough to know how this particular instance should have been handled. I'm simply trying to make two points: first, just because you break the law doesn't mean that anything that subsequently happens to you as a result of your lawbreaking is justified and correct (that is, there must be proportionality between what you do and what is done to you); and second, following orders solely because someone in authority gives them to you is a dangerous way to go (a la Milgram's obedience studies). The "must follow orders" mentality can result in all sorts of dangerous and absurd outcomes.

I don't think anyone on here (other than perhaps SYL) is advocating for ignoring the police or fighting against them. I think we're saying that the police escalation needs to be commensurate with the gravity of the offense, and that you're under no obligation to follow all orders because in certain circumstances, that could be very bad.