Browns season 2021

posted by friendfromlowry

You mean pretty much everyone outside your fan base? 

I'll lay my fucking cards on the table right now if you want my honest thoughts.

What Watson did is no different than any other sleaze that goes to a private masseuse would do. His biggest issue was that he has money and can be shaken down. THREE, I REPEAT, THREE of these "ladies" were licensed masseuses which leads me to believe the other 20+ were looking for the IG "hookup" with the rich QB. When things started to escalate, EVERYONE wanted to get paid.

There was no "rape" like some would imply. What he did is likely SOP for any sleaze ball that goes to a private masseuse.

In the beginning, I was on the "court of public opinion/lynch mob" that you're part of the group leading but after more & more came out on this, I don't think it was any more than a shakedown.

And truth be told, I think Roethlisberger was a sleaze with a previous past of treating women like shit but do I think he raped that girl in Georgia? Probably not but there's a little difference here. Ben had a history of being a shitty person. Watson didn't.

Plus, people like you are very insulated and gobble up all of the outrage that the biased media, who wants clicks, feeds you. In NE Ohio we get a lot more information regarding this than just the shit ESPN, NFLN is regurgitating to you.

posted by BR1986FB

He's going to base this on all of the faux outrage from the woke social media crowd/court of public opinion which wants Watson in front of a firing squad. 

Even if Watson & the NFLPA sues the only thing they will accomplish is a smear campaign on the hypocritical owners. They won't win an appeal.  If it's overturned on appeal, he will get to play in week 1 and moving forward until it's resolved.

If I'm Sue Robinson, I resign immediately if this does happen. The whole "process" would've been a sham.

Plus if Goodell appeals, it keeps the entire thing in the headlines.  Sue Robinson is a federal appeals judge, not just some schmuck off the street.  Let it go.  No one is under the delusion that the NFL is filled with alter boys.  A process was followed, move on.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Plus if Goodell appeals, it keeps the entire thing in the headlines.  Sue Robinson is a federal appeals judge, not just some schmuck off the street.  Let it go.  No one is under the delusion that the NFL is filled with alter boys.  A process was followed, move on.

In theory, this would be the smart thing to do but we're talking about Old Rog here. Not the brightest crayon in the box. I think he's going to want to poke the bear after he screwed the pooch with the Ray Rice debacle to get it "right."

And it's ALL going to be based on the dumbasses on social media and their faux outrage. Did the same thing to Johnny Depp and see how that turned out.

posted by BR1986FB

I'll lay my fucking cards on the table right now if you want my honest thoughts.

What Watson did is no different than any other sleaze that goes to a private masseuse would do. His biggest issue was that he has money and can be shaken down. THREE, I REPEAT, THREE of these "ladies" were licensed masseuses which leads me to believe the other 20+ were looking for the IG "hookup" with the rich QB. When things started to escalate, EVERYONE wanted to get paid.

There was no "rape" like some would imply. What he did is likely SOP for any sleaze ball that goes to a private masseuse.

In the beginning, I was on the "court of public opinion/lynch mob" that you're part of the group leading but after more & more came out on this, I don't think it was any more than a shakedown.

And truth be told, I think Roethlisberger was a sleaze with a previous past of treating women like shit but do I think he raped that girl in Georgia? Probably not but there's a little difference here. Ben had a history of being a shitty person. Watson didn't.

Plus, people like you are very insulated and gobble up all of the outrage that the biased media, who wants clicks, feeds you. In NE Ohio we get a lot more information regarding this than just the shit ESPN, NFLN is regurgitating to you.

I'm also interested in the bolded. Didn't realize I was apart of the woke crowd gobbling up outrage that bias media is feeding me. 

If you're laying your honest cards on the table, call it what it really is like others have. He plays for the Browns, so you're going to find a way to be cool with what he did and "Eh who cares not like the NFL is that moral anyways." If he played for the Ravens, we'd already have a nickname for him and be complaining about the six games. But its the Browns and he makes us better so oh well. 

Blaming everything on the "woke mob" is just a cop out these days. It's played.

My "outrage" starts and ends with the NFL/Goodell's WILDLY inconsistent punishments regarding players acting out of line. There is absolutely no standard.

posted by Automatik
Can you elaborate on the bolded?

Sure. There have been several attorneys who have chimed in on this. Not going to see stuff like that on ESPN, etc. The belief is that this has been a shakedown by Tony Buzbee.

Interesting take from Rap...

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1554839168823484416?s=20&t=jOvkmurRiW_n4uwEnYyxFw

posted by friendfromlowry

I'm also interested in the bolded. Didn't realize I was apart of the woke crowd gobbling up outrage that bias media is feeding me. 

If you're laying your honest cards on the table, call it what it really is like others have. He plays for the Browns, so you're going to find a way to be cool with what he did and "Eh who cares not like the NFL is that moral anyways." If he played for the Ravens, we'd already have a nickname for him and be complaining about the six games. But its the Browns and he makes us better so oh well. 

Im ok admitting he’s a sleaze bag, and ok with him on the team if it means wins. I don’t think it’s difficult to admit. It’s no different than bengals fans turning a blind eye to Mixon being a piece of shit and Steelers fans turning a blind eye on rapistberger being a piece of shit. These are just two examples of many all over the NFL.

What I won’t do is go through the mental gymnastics that Steelers fans went thru for nearly 20 years to defend rapistberger. I would have given them credit if they were willing to admit he is a piece of shit, but they are fine with the wins he brought.

posted by Automatik

Blaming everything on the "woke mob" is just a cop out these days. It's played.

My "outrage" starts and ends with the NFL/Goodell's WILDLY inconsistent punishments regarding players acting out of line. There is absolutely no standard.

I think it's probably most telling that Roger's idea of justice tends to put heavier or, at minimum, comparable punishments on minor league stuff where the only real harm is "optics" (ie: Josh Gordon with weed; Calvin Ridley with placing a tiny bet -- by NFL salary standards; for him, I'd guess $1500 would be like us putting a couple bucks on a bet -- on his team while on some sort of "non-football illness" list and not a factor in the game; Tom Brady with really shaky evidence concerning football manipulation) than it does on actual wrong-doing, where guys like Greg Hardy or Ray Rice can have serious allegations of being a piece of shit, but little or nothing happens unless some sort of major proof of those allegations gets released.

As for this case, I'm just enjoying how at least part of a certain fanbase went from "Rapistberger" and "where there's smoke, there's fire" to "they want money" and "woke mob/media bias" and "everyone has bad people on their team, so why not us?" when one of their guys got a bunch of allegations against him. It's nice to finally have verification that for all these years, it all was nothing more than faux outrage based on losing 95% of the time to their rival.

It’s just exhausting and all caused by the star player being creepy.

I do agree Goodell is going to push some more basically just to appease those that are still outraged.

Early on it was said the Texans helped with this? Are they getting punished at all?

posted by Ironman92

It’s just exhausting and all caused by the star player being creepy.

I do agree Goodell is going to push some more basically just to appease those that are still outraged.

Early on it was said the Texans helped with this? Are they getting punished at all?

Texans settled pretty quickly. 

posted by Heretic

As for this case, I'm just enjoying how at least part of a certain fanbase went from "Rapistberger" and "where there's smoke, there's fire" to "they want money" and "woke mob/media bias" and "everyone has bad people on their team, so why not us?" when one of their guys got a bunch of allegations against him. It's nice to finally have verification that for all these years, it all was nothing more than faux outrage based on losing 95% of the time to their rival.

Steelers fans still going through mental gymnastics for rapistberger after a decade. It took most browns fans no more than a month to label deshaun for what he is.

Inb4 casual fan Gut comes in to explain why rapistberger is a good guy. 

posted by like_that

Steelers fans still going through mental gymnastics for rapistberger after a decade. It took most browns fans no more than a month to label deshaun for what he is.

Inb4 casual fan Gut comes in to explain why rapistberger is a good guy. 

Watson is a sleazy/shady character most likely and even if it was one, it was too many. 

My issue is all of these optics about 24-26+ "victims." I call bullshit. There may be 2 or 3 (again, too many) but the rest of them are looking to hop aboard the gravy train. Some of them did porn, etc.

No defense for what he did but most of these "victims" are part of a money grab.

posted by BR1986FB

Watson is a sleazy/shady character most likely and even if it was one, it was too many. 

My issue is all of these optics about 24-26+ "victims." I call bullshit. There may be 2 or 3 (again, too many) but the rest of them are looking to hop aboard the gravy train. Some of them did porn, etc.

No defense for what he did but most of these "victims" are part of a money grab.

Play with your weiner with shady people….you get shady results.

When he does comeback it’ll exhaust the entire league again for that week.

Unless he does something big and meaningful (as a person) as long as he’s in the league they’ll wear him out with these talks as thing ms go nowadays.

I’m surprised Mixon doesn’t get it more but time does fade these things a bit….but my god actual video of him destroying that girl in the face and people buying his jersey. That’s crazy to me. 

posted by Ironman92

Play with your weiner with shady people….you get shady results.

When he does comeback it’ll exhaust the entire league again for that week.

Unless he does something big and meaningful (as a person) as long as he’s in the league they’ll wear him out with these talks as thing ms go nowadays.

I’m surprised Mixon doesn’t get it more but time does fade these things a bit….but my god actual video of him destroying that girl in the face and people buying his jersey. That’s crazy to me. 

The Watson thing is so stupid because he should've just went the Charlie Sheen route and got a prostitute and had them sign an NDA. Dude must have had a weird fetish with masseuses. I know that may sound blunt but he would've known what he was getting.

posted by BR1986FB

The Watson thing is so stupid because he should've just went the Charlie Sheen route and got a prostitute and had them sign an NDA. Dude must have had a weird fetish with masseuses. I know that may sound blunt but he would've known what he was getting.

One of my all-time favorite baseball players was Andruw Jones and if he wasn’t in CF redefining the position….he was in the strip club living that life. Must’ve had good food their too because he likely ate his way out of the HOF.

Despicable lifestyle in my eyes but in the field as a defensive player he’s probably my all-time favorite.

posted by Ironman92

One of my all-time favorite baseball players was Andruw Jones and if he wasn’t in CF redefining the position….he was in the strip club living that life. Must’ve had good food their too because he likely ate his way out of the HOF.

Despicable lifestyle in my eyes but in the field as a defensive player he’s probably my all-time favorite.

For those guys who don't want to get tied down, it's probably a cheaper lifestyle. Again (blunt) but Sheen said "it's cheaper for them to go home" or something to that effect. For these rich athletes/celebs, Sheen is likely right with divorce rates.

posted by like_that

Steelers fans still going through mental gymnastics for rapistberger after a decade. It took most browns fans no more than a month to label deshaun for what he is.

Inb4 casual fan Gut comes in to explain why rapistberger is a good guy. 

Hey, I'm not among the crowd yelling for multi-year suspensions and whatever for Watson. I'm at least trying to avoid the hypocrisy of saying "unproven allegations are only unproven allegations" for my guy, while trying to pile on when it happens to another team's guy.

And "mental gymnastics"? Heh, I'm just enjoying how "most Browns fans" will be putting the "Watson's a creep" vibe way on the back burner as soon as he wins a couple key games for the team and already are trying to blunt the whole "our QB is a creeper" deal with "everyone else has bad guys" and "it's all about teh wokeness" comments. Shit, if anything, I wish the whole woke stuff had been a thing back in the day. In retrospect, just dropping "K, woke lib!" in response to every "Rapistberger" would have been more fun than anything I actually did say.

I'm friends and family with a LOT of Cleveland fans. The hypocrisy is obvious. Just win baby!