Baseball Lockout

Heretic Son of the Sun
20,517 posts 196 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 4, 2022 1:27 PM
posted by Ironman92

MLB Network just fired Ken Rosenthal for too much criticism of Rob Manfred

Yikes

Saw that. Manfred is not only incompetent, but he's a little bitch as well.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 1:38 PM

More like Womanfred, amirite?

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 1:39 PM
posted by QuakerOats


Many blame the pitchers, but the problem is the batters stepping out of the box after  e v e r y  s i n g l e  p i t c h  to adjust their gear which is total bs.  Get in the box, stay in the box, and play the game. 

The umpire doesn't have to grant time out to the hitter. Maybe a rule is needed where a team gets a certain number of timeouts for the game or inning, or however they want to do it. 

33,369 posts 124 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 4, 2022 1:44 PM
posted by Al Bundy

The umpire doesn't have to grant time out to the hitter. Maybe a rule is needed where a team gets a certain number of timeouts for the game or inning, or however they want to do it. 

We just need to implement the pitch clock when bases are empty. It applies both to the pitcher (has to be released by then) and the hitter (has to be in with XX on the clock). 

Do that for a year, with other changes, and re-asses. If the game is still too slow, because the pitch clock doesn't work with men on base, then you can try something for that. But I think just do certain things that have worked at every level so far, first. Then go from there.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 2:18 PM

I went to two minor league games with a pitch clock in place. It did nothing to hurt the game and it may have helped establish a pace of play which was agreeable. 


3 hours per game is ridiculous.  

Gardens35 Senior Member
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 2:34 PM

The Time between half-innings......


Is it dictated by the tv networks so that they get a certain number of commercials to the viewer?


Has the time between innings changed now that every local team broadcasts almost every game?

33,369 posts 124 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 4, 2022 3:09 PM
posted by Gardens35

The Time between half-innings......


Is it dictated by the tv networks so that they get a certain number of commercials to the viewer?


Has the time between innings changed now that every local team broadcasts almost every game?

Yeah, they need to get commercials. The solution maybe to have all games start at :15 after the hour...pump in commercials during that "pregame" and shorten each half inning by 15 seconds. 

Gardens35 Senior Member
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 3:19 PM

Straight up, I haven't ever timed the time between last pitch of a half inning to first pitch of the next. Do you know what it is?...........Does MLB have a set time between?


I'm probably just nick picking by now, just curious about it.

Ironman92 Administrator
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 5:24 PM
posted by QuakerOats


Many blame the pitchers, but the problem is the batters stepping out of the box after  e v e r y  s i n g l e  p i t c h  to adjust their gear which is total bs.  Get in the box, stay in the box, and play the game. 

At least 3 more pitching changes per average…..that’s 12 min right there and then every single reliever in trouble works so much slower than most starters do. Pitching is the #1 factor easily.


Heretic Son of the Sun
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 5:32 PM
posted by Gardens35

Straight up, I haven't ever timed the time between last pitch of a half inning to first pitch of the next. Do you know what it is?...........Does MLB have a set time between?


I'm probably just nick picking by now, just curious about it.

I would have been able to tell you this exactly (or near exactly) a year or two ago, but because of the whole deal where Dish stopped carrying the former Fox Sports Ohios (current Bally Sports), I haven't watched baseball via that route at my one friend's. Because we'd use the DVR to give us a buffer to fast forward between commercials and it'd either be 3 or 4 clicks at 30 seconds each. So for regional regular season games, it's either 1:30 or 2 minutes for commercials. Postseason is definitely longer; not sure about regular season national games.

Gardens35 Senior Member
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Tue, Jan 4, 2022 6:15 PM

^^^We still go to a few games a year, and watch a bunch on TV. I'm going to devote a "very little bit of time" to this time curiosity of mine.

33,369 posts 124 reps Joined Nov 2009
Tue, Jan 4, 2022 11:11 PM

I believe it is 1:30 of commercials. ~2:00 between pitches. I’m sure networks try and sneak in 2:00 worth every so often and that’s when we are at commercial before the umpire makes the out signal and back just in time for the 1st pitch of next inning.

But I also haven’t worked a baseball game in about 2 years, so I’m not sure at all lol

ernest_t_bass 12th Son of the Lama
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Wed, Jan 5, 2022 1:18 PM

While there may be some things with broadcasts, time, etc. that need fixed (to help speed it up), the other problem that will never be fixed, unfortunately, is the problem with the fan.  When I went to a game with my folks growing up, I didn't care about going home.  I wanted to stay at the park all day.  Home could wait.  Society's problem now, is that there is ALWAYS something else to do.  Baseball needs to hurry up, so I can go do something else.

Dr Winston O'Boogie Senior Member
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Thu, Jan 6, 2022 6:07 AM
posted by ernest_t_bass

While there may be some things with broadcasts, time, etc. that need fixed (to help speed it up), the other problem that will never be fixed, unfortunately, is the problem with the fan.  When I went to a game with my folks growing up, I didn't care about going home.  I wanted to stay at the park all day.  Home could wait.  Society's problem now, is that there is ALWAYS something else to do.  Baseball needs to hurry up, so I can go do something else.

This is true.  It also doesn’t help that most all games are at night compared to times past.  


thavoice Senior Member
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Thu, Jan 6, 2022 12:13 PM
posted by QuakerOats


Many blame the pitchers, but the problem is the batters stepping out of the box after  e v e r y  s i n g l e  p i t c h  to adjust their gear which is total bs.  Get in the box, stay in the box, and play the game. 

Sean Casey, the human rain delay while at bat.


I seee more micro managing from the dugout as well with catchers looking in between every pitch when someone is on base.


Also, strikeouts are soaring, and outpacing hits.    Saw a chart awhile ago that the pitches per at bat is around 4, and up 1 pitch per at bat since the early 80s.

Just one pitch...aint much right?  When it is each batter, each inning, each game on average and 20-30 seconds between each pitch then we are at about 20-30 seconds more per at bat, with a minimum of 1 min per half inning.....



Just that right there can add 16-20 min/game over the early 80s....

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Thu, Jan 6, 2022 12:25 PM
posted by ernest_t_bass

While there may be some things with broadcasts, time, etc. that need fixed (to help speed it up), the other problem that will never be fixed, unfortunately, is the problem with the fan.  When I went to a game with my folks growing up, I didn't care about going home.  I wanted to stay at the park all day.  Home could wait.  Society's problem now, is that there is ALWAYS something else to do.  Baseball needs to hurry up, so I can go do something else.

If a game is filled with action, I don't mind a long game. If a game is long because there is a minute between pitches, then I have a problem with it.

thavoice Senior Member
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Thu, Jan 6, 2022 2:47 PM
posted by Al Bundy

If a game is filled with action, I don't mind a long game. If a game is long because there is a minute between pitches, then I have a problem with it.

Concur, and I do believe that scoring is up over the years but the difference from then and now is it is more feast or famine. Runs are coming more via the HR than multiple hits.    

BRF Senior Member
11,621 posts 94 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Mar 11, 2022 1:45 PM

Just read an article about rule changes:

- no more extra inning “ghost runner”

- no more 7 inning Double Headers

- National League will use DH

- players can’t be sent to minors more than 5 times in one season

birddog23 Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 11, 2022 1:51 PM

All good things.

33,369 posts 124 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Mar 11, 2022 2:06 PM

Love it all. Only thing I didnt mind (but also fine that its gone) is the 7 inning DH.

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