So in the past week....
Zuckerberg testifying about developing AI tools to filter speech.
CA talking about requiring companies to hire people to identify and remove fake news
FBI raids the offices of Trump's lawyer.
Remember, Trump was the fascist who was a dire threat to our freedom and liberty.
posted by gutSo in the past week....
Zuckerberg testifying about developing AI tools to filter speech.
CA talking about requiring companies to hire people to identify and remove fake news
FBI raids the offices of Trump's lawyer.
Remember, Trump was the fascist who was a dire threat to our freedom and liberty.
I missed this story.
But our fascism is cheeky and fun. Their fascism is cruel, and tragic.
posted by like_thatI missed this story.
I have read stories of several bills being proposed in the CA state legislature to address "fake news". Anywhere from teaching kids in school how to identify it to outright outlawing it. At this point they go nowhere. But still scary to think there are leftist loons elected to high levels of government proposing this kind of shit.
posted by majorsparkI have read stories of several bills being proposed in the CA state legislature to address "fake news".
Where "net neutrality" is concerned, throttling Netflix is bloody murder...Facebook and Google picking winners among bloggers and news media, not so much.
I suppose this ultimately ends with "safe spaces" on the internet. And if we can force bars that people never visit to ban smoking because those people don't like it, then is it much of a leap that internet sites people never visit could be sanctioned because those people don't like the content? Or to use the bar example, all that really had to be done was Google drop it from searches and maps, effectively putting it out of business.
posted by justincredibleBut our fascism is cheeky and fun. Their fascism is cruel, and tragic.
And also deemed by themselves as moral, so it is ok!!!
posted by QuakerOats
May happen someday
Wouldn't this require ratification by 36 other states, along with a 2/3 vote of Congress?
And the problem, as I see it, is that splitting CA into 3 states would give them 4 more Senators, which dilutes the power of other states and probably tilts in Republican favor (so every blue state will oppose it).
posted by gutWouldn't this require ratification by 36 other states, along with a 2/3 vote of Congress?
And the problem, as I see it, is that splitting CA into 3 states would give them 4 more Senators, which dilutes the power of other states and probably tilts in Republican favor (so every blue state will oppose it).
I dunno about the first part. I mean, there would indeed be four new Senators, but the two from each respective state wouldn't necessarily be associated with those from the other formerly-California states.
But yeah, that might indeed add red states.
Another reason NOT to trust polls! (sorry Ptown) (not really)
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/984771308134260736
@NateSilver538
If Comey's decision to release the letter on Oct. 28 was influenced by his interpretation of the polls, that really ought to cut against his image as an honorable, principled decision-maker. Instead, he was just being expedient and trying to save his own hide.
Has anyone seen this before? http://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/
It's pretty interesting. Kinda proves the point that even though both sides have their idiots, liberals apparently have a lot more considering how far left the median has gone for them. Democrats are 60% more liberal since 1994 and Republicans 8% more conservative since 1994. A couple things I found interesting:
-How center republicans were in the early 2000's. It makes sense why we have a bunch of spineless representatives and why the GOP has been terrible at fiscal policy since then.
-How centered the dems were since 1994 until 2011. 2011 to 2017 is when they made a huge leap closer to radical left.
I know I have said there is no place for moderates in today's political climate, but based on that plot it's much easier to realize how far the Dems have gone vs the Republicans. People who continuously vote GOP, because they believe it is something it no longer is (small government, fiscal conservative, etc) annoy the fuck out of me, but I can also see why they fall for it considering they still have some people who hold some of their values here and there. As for the Dems, going that far left is really not that hard to see. At what point will "normal" liberals realize the DNC is no longer their party? I know classic liberals like Dave Rubin have recognized it. I am waiting to see when the general left recognizes it. Obviously Trump being so polarizing has played a factor as well. If the GOP had someone else in the white house, do you all think "normal" liberals would recognize how radical the DNC is becoming? I have a few friends who work in politics and they have recognized it, but they are in that awkward territory where they have been dems their entire lives and work for them.
FWIW I consider most if not all liberals on this site as the "normal" liberals. There are a few here that have gone full retard, but that doesn't represent the majority of you all.
posted by like_thatHas anyone seen this before? http://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/
It's pretty interesting. Kinda proves the point that even though both sides have their idiots, liberals apparently have a lot more considering how far left the median has gone for them. Democrats are 60% more liberal since 1994 and Republicans 8% more conservative since 1994. A couple things I found interesting:
-How center republicans were in the early 2000's. It makes sense why we have a bunch of spineless representatives and why the GOP has been terrible at fiscal policy since then.
-How centered the dems were since 1994 until 2011. 2011 to 2017 is when they made a huge leap closer to radical left.
I know I have said there is no place for moderates in today's political climate, but based on that plot it's much easier to realize how far the Dems have gone vs the Republicans. People who continuously vote GOP, because they believe it is something it no longer is (small government, fiscal conservative, etc) annoy the fuck out of me, but I can also see why they fall for it considering they still have some people who hold some of their values here and there. As for the Dems, going that far left is really not that hard to see. At what point will "normal" liberals realize the DNC is no longer their party? I know classic liberals like Dave Rubin have recognized it. I am waiting to see when the general left recognizes it. Obviously Trump being so polarizing has played a factor as well. If the GOP had someone else in the white house, do you all think "normal" liberals would recognize how radical the DNC is becoming? I have a few friends who work in politics and they have recognized it, but they are in that awkward territory where they have been dems their entire lives and work for them.
FWIW I consider most if not all liberals on this site as the "normal" liberals. There are a few here that have gone full retard, but that doesn't represent the majority of you all.
That pew link is a little misleading IMHO as the Democrats have gone to the left since the 1990's whereas the Republicans started their ascent to the right much earlier. The near complete elimination of southern and rural democrats has further cemented the Democratic party as a left-wing party.
The Vote View project is pretty good IMHO.
https://legacy.voteview.com/political_polarization_2015.htm
I've said many times before that the far left is now mainstream. Radical if you will. To the point where:
1.) Jokes that are subjectively offensive cannot be told
2.) Subjectively offensive statues cannot be seen by the walk-by public
3.) Almost impossible to wear a simple Halloween costume
4.) If you do not support far left activism you are homophobic, transphobic, Islamaphobic, secularphobic (I've actually seen this a few times), trans exclusionary radical feminism/phobic, cuckphobic... there's almost no end to the mis-termed phobias.
5.) Any type of masculinity is toxic
6.) White silence is violence
7.) Individualism is rejected, you must be part of a collective
8.) Parity is the new equality
9.) White patriarchy is murder (yet white silence is somehow violence)
We've seen these types of behaviors here in this forum. And not just isadore.
It should not take anybody by surprise that studies and statistics are predicting that the youngest crop of GenZ is going to be the most conservative in generations. The left has pushed it that far and the snapback is going to sting. When the left calls Dave Rubin "to the right of Breitbart", you know that the far left is now mainstream.
I've also stated before that this is a problem that is going to have to be changed from within. Nobody on the "left" will listen to reason from anybody on the right, so the "right" is automatically excluded. If anybody here considers themselves on the left side of the political spectrum, better roll up your shirtsleeves and get busy!
*Edit to add*
At this point, I'm glad I left the left decades ago. The process wasn't overnight and looking back, I probably couldn't name the actual problems within the party that were edging me out in the way that I could name them today. I just knew that the ideology of the party was changing in an organic way.
I suppose that that is the reason I harp on the democrats much more than I ever have on the republicans. Being born and raised as a democrat, I can see just how much of a wild turn the party has become. And, not to age myself or to punch down in any way, some of us in the eldest crop of GenX saw this coming for a long time. The youngest GenX'ers and millenials didn't experience it in the same way, through no fault of their own. Sure they can read words about it or listen to others talk about it, but it's not exactly the same.
^^ excellent post
posted by CenterBHSFanAnd, not to age myself or to punch down in any way, some of us in the eldest crop of GenX saw this coming for a long time. The youngest GenX'ers and millenials didn't experience it in the same way, through no fault of their own. Sure they can read words about it or listen to others talk about it, but it's not exactly the same.
Even for late Gen Xers and Xennials, it's actually a pretty notable difference. I was too young to vote or fully understand the actual issues themselves at the time, but even early on in the Clinton administration, those who would have proudly called themselves Democrats appeared and spoke very differently than they do today.
And while I would say that the same is true for Republicans, I can't say it's been to the same degree. Whether it means they were already further polarized or whether it means they're getting a late start, I can't say, but the political climate just looks so different today than it did then. The groups are so notably different from where they were just a few administrations ago.
Frankly, I have a harder and harder time trying to find the "good" side of either of them, anymore. We're getting to a point at which both seem to want to control your money and civil liberties. The only argument is over what they want to spend it on.
Sooooooooooooooooo Queens are being told not to participate at Pride Parades because it may offend trans people.
posted by BoatShoesThat pew link is a little misleading IMHO as the Democrats have gone to the left since the 1990's whereas the Republicans started their ascent to the right much earlier. The near complete elimination of southern and rural democrats has further cemented the Democratic party as a left-wing party.
The Vote View project is pretty good IMHO.
https://legacy.voteview.com/political_polarization_2015.htm
This is interested as well. Thanks for sharing. I'd like to see this same research thru 2017. Based on the pew research it seemed like the democrat's median was on its way to the left starting in 2011 and then skyrocketed once trump got into the picture (2015).
posted by CenterBHSFanI've said many times before that the far left is now mainstream. Radical if you will. To the point where:
1.) Jokes that are subjectively offensive cannot be told
2.) Subjectively offensive statues cannot be seen by the walk-by public
3.) Almost impossible to wear a simple Halloween costume
4.) If you do not support far left activism you are homophobic, transphobic, Islamaphobic, secularphobic (I've actually seen this a few times), trans exclusionary radical feminism/phobic, cuckphobic... there's almost no end to the mis-termed phobias.
5.) Any type of masculinity is toxic
6.) White silence is violence
7.) Individualism is rejected, you must be part of a collective
8.) Parity is the new equality
9.) White patriarchy is murder (yet white silence is somehow violence)
We've seen these types of behaviors here in this forum. And not just isadore.
It should not take anybody by surprise that studies and statistics are predicting that the youngest crop of GenZ is going to be the most conservative in generations. The left has pushed it that far and the snapback is going to sting. When the left calls Dave Rubin "to the right of Breitbart", you know that the far left is now mainstream.
I've also stated before that this is a problem that is going to have to be changed from within. Nobody on the "left" will listen to reason from anybody on the right, so the "right" is automatically excluded. If anybody here considers themselves on the left side of the political spectrum, better roll up your shirtsleeves and get busy!
*Edit to add*
At this point, I'm glad I left the left decades ago. The process wasn't overnight and looking back, I probably couldn't name the actual problems within the party that were edging me out in the way that I could name them today. I just knew that the ideology of the party was changing in an organic way.
I suppose that that is the reason I harp on the democrats much more than I ever have on the republicans. Being born and raised as a democrat, I can see just how much of a wild turn the party has become. And, not to age myself or to punch down in any way, some of us in the eldest crop of GenX saw this coming for a long time. The youngest GenX'ers and millenials didn't experience it in the same way, through no fault of their own. Sure they can read words about it or listen to others talk about it, but it's not exactly the same.
100% agree. I have friends who made "offensive" jokes years ago (with context and audience in mind) and now they pretend these same type of jokes are beneath them. I don't know who can change it "within." If they are casting off liberals like Rubin, who will they actually listen to? I am really interested where the DNC goes once Trump is out of the picture. Will they go further left embracing the bernies of this country or will they embrace the lambs of their party, who by a lot measure is more conservative than some of the fucking clowns representing the GOP. If the DNC embraces the lambs, it would bring some hope that the DNC would shift back toward the middle. Im curious to see what happens if the DNC embraces the lambs to win seats in "purple" or red states. Will those candidates actually stay principled or will they just fall in party line? Say what you want about the GOP, but they at least have some reps who are principled and don't fall in line with the party 100% of the time. That's why they couldn't get anything done with healthcare.
posted by O-TrapFrankly, I have a harder and harder time trying to find the "good" side of either of them, anymore. We're getting to a point at which both seem to want to control your money and civil liberties. The only argument is over what they want to spend it on.
Pretty much the only difference between the two and one party supports gun rights. That's why considering the political climate the last 10+ years I just roll my eyes with talk of a blue wave or red wave. The pendulum will keep swinging back and forth, because it is the same thing.
posted by like_thatHas anyone seen this before? http://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/
It's pretty interesting. Kinda proves the point that even though both sides have their idiots, liberals apparently have a lot more considering how far left the median has gone for them.
I've never really dug into the methodologies of these polls. But I have a pretty good idea of how it works and what the challenges are. I also know it's VERY EASY to "justifiably" put your finger on the scale depending on how you define "center" and whether it's static or can move.
IMO, the majority of Republicans are relatively close to center, especially most of the leadership. That's a stark contrast to the Democrats. However, the Tea Party (which is still a small minority of Repubs) got kind of hijacked and clowns like Cruz, Bachman and Palin suck a lot of air out of the room but have little actual influence.
posted by like_thatPretty much the only difference between the two and one party supports gun rights. That's why considering the political climate the last 10+ years I just roll my eyes with talk of a blue wave or red wave. The pendulum will keep swinging back and forth, because it is the same thing.
Honestly, though, even that conversation is much more narrow. It has come down to both being okay with gun regulation and simply disagreeing over how much and what kind.
Certainly, you have the extremes (no gun laws vs. no guns allowed), but the general sentiment from the right is that we have "enough" gun laws (ie. not "too many"), and the general sentiment from the left is that we need more (but not a full-on ban).
While one might see that and say that the lack of extremes makes those the more reasonable options, I'd argue that it makes them more similar than we treat them. Certainly not opposite ends of a spectrum.
